Lela Pittenger, Mister Tramps, 2011/07/15

hey can you guys hear me is that a little better all right just keep it close to the mouth that should work I am

Lima pittinger I am running for U.S Senate I have been in this race for 18 months now when Hutchison originally

said she was going to step down after the governor's race and when she decided not to I just kept at it in the last 18

months I've been to 240 different meetings events and rallies I've been going to the different

candidate forums that the Republican women's clubs and tea party groups are having when they allow me to attend

believe it or not they don't always invite everyone in the race so I'm there when they let me come and I

don't need to lecture you on what's going on in this country I think you guys get it so I'd much rather just let

you ask any questions you want and let's talk about what's important to you and I

think that but that covers it so does anybody have any questions they want to ask

anything you want to talk about a particular day okay

Dave was totally prepared to attack me when he came in

okay so what he said was my background does not include a long-term involvement

in politics Will people try to attack me because I don't have political experience or connections and what I'll

say is people haven't been attacking but they do ask all the time have you run for office before have you ever been in

office and I haven't I haven't run for office I haven't held political office so I think that for some people that's

really important they want you to I think it's amazing the irony where people say they're tired of career

politicians but then they want a career politician in the next breath when it comes to the senate race so I think

there's a little iron in that I don't agree with this idea that we need someone who's been doing things 10 20 30

40 years before they get to the Senate I think you get they get that mentality I think you get disabled warped system I

think that we need people who are outside of it when you get a fresh perspective but that's what's important to me for sure do I think they'll attack

me I think that yes eventually if I show to be a threat which I had a really interesting experience a few weeks ago

I didn't think I was a threat but one of the lead candidates everywhere this

person goes their team videotapes them and in this candidate Forum they also

videotaped the other two leading candidates and me they didn't videotape

the two other citizen candidates

commission or the Catholic uh African-American underground well here's what I'll say is the Catholic

African-American on the Railroad Commission I love Michael Williams is a good person he was not in the race

anymore at that time he has left for okay let's clarify the race for everybody in case not everyone's on the

same page at the moment there are seven eight declared candidates right now

there's myself I've been in it for 18 months there's 10 Crews he's been in it

for about six months prior to that he was running for attorney general because they thought David Dewhurst would move

up Greg Abbott would move up and that attorney general position would be open and Ted was running for that when it

didn't clear out the way they expected he changed everything and rolled over to this race so he's only actually been it

for about six months Michael is now running for a U.S house district open seat that has been created

in this past session right it's called District 33. because I was going to ask

you why you know I would I would have been supporting Michaels right why are you running again right right no Michael

is in house race and Roger Williams left this race to be in the same house race

and they're already attacking each other it's already ugly bloody and brutal and it's only

just begun okay so Elizabeth Ames Jones is still in the race she is a lovely

person and I don't know if you know this but she actually has a hearing problem that's where her speaking issue is

coming from she wears hearing aids in both ears I don't know if that's from birth or whatever it's none of my

business really but that might explain why you say that about the staff at the Railroad Commission would disagree with

your assessment of how she is as an employer versus the other side

maybe if not slapping at least management style issues maybe you know I don't know she's been nothing but lovely

to me she's been a really good person to me so Elizabeth myself Ted Cruz former

solicitor general is in there then we have Dan Patrick who has not declared he

just has his exploratory committee but he still gets invited to the different candidate forums from the tea party

groups and some of the Republican women's clubs then we have a gentleman named Glenn Addison he's out of Houston

he owns funeral homes he's a very nice man he his promise his commitment is

he's only going to serve one term and he will not accept any of what he calls the luxuries the pension the health care

that sort of thing then we have a gentleman named Andrew castanuella he's

out of the Brownwood area he's also just kind of a citizen candidate really nice

guy a former military he retired with honors and now he is a drug and alcohol

counselor I think MHMR so that's how many did we get to right

there oh there's Tom leopard former mayor of Dallas um

Tom's the former mayor of Dallas I'm just gonna leave it at that on top I'm sorry

I did mention Ted that he had originally been in the Attorney General's race so that's the crew that's for sure sitting

there right now and then I would love for you to introduce yourself absolutely before the summer right now if you want well if nobody knows me but yeah I'm

David Smith I live over please find me on Facebook most of the time right I

think I crucifies uh Obama that's about all there is too okay so

David is also in the race I actually only learned about him the other day and we'll see each other tomorrow night at a

program and watch the hatching so that sums it up it's been going on for 18

months the people that have been it that whole time where myself and Elizabeth and then Glenn came in a little later

than that Andrew came in just a little bit there that but not too much Rogers left Michael's left everything that's

hanging in the air is David Dewhurst for number one number two a lot of people don't know this but Michael McCall has

said he's thinking about it and that he decides to get in the race he's willing to commit 10 million dollars of his own

money is he willing to commit to not running photography at the same time I don't know but you know Believe It or

Not Congressman McCall doesn't call me and letting me know what he's going to do so what else can I answer Dave does

that answer your question

right so how many terms would it take for power to corrupt you I'm sorry what

how many terms of service would it take before the power of practice see I

I don't see that happening I really hope not but it's only going to stay that way

if I spend a lot of time in groups like this I believe that the candidates should live amongst the people not

lecture the people so I'm not interested in buying a house in Washington I'm interested in you know

renting an apartment I don't really want to stay in a hotel because apparently some of them stay in the hotel long enough they get the most luxury Suite

there can be ten thousand dollars a month a week whatever um

exactly I'm hoping to ride a motorcycle I'm hoping that's the extent of my transportation in Washington today

my husband has one I want to learn but in the time that he bought when I was pregnant and I didn't think it was the

wisest of moves no not even a motorcycle

you know I would hate to be false once I have my own motorcycle license then I will do pictures like that I don't want

to be a faker you didn't mention David I did just that he hasn't committed yet

on supposedly on the 18th of this month he's supposed to be making an announcement

himself he's already got too much up here now they're all ready to tell him

he's not he's an exploratory communities

okay so here the most recent poll in the last month has said the following

half of those who are likely Republican voters have not decided

Dewhurst had 25 percent and Cruz had almost 25 percent now they didn't

Improvement they didn't include me uh the one I've seen most recently was

probably a little bit earlier than that yeah

leading cruise by about 31. I can believe that um

he does I do person without a doubt has the name recognition and that will and he has the money to continue to finance

that name recognition yes sir

okay so he asked this to divide between the people in the Republican Party who

are big government Republicans and those who are trying to be conservative and where do I fall and all that I don't

know if you ever saw an essay I wrote recently it was in the last couple of months and it's I called it no longer a

conservative and what I said was when you look at the word conservative it actually means to maintain a system

as it is I don't think we need to maintain the system I think it needs to be dramatically altered and so I said

I'm not so much a conservative I'm more of a freedom Mentalist and the difference is when you think of an

environmentalist versus a conservationist conservationists want to respect everybody's property ownership

they want to respect how everyone lives their own lives but they do want to protect what we do have environmentalists want to take back

everything you have for the cause they believe in when they wake up in the morning what they drive what they eat

where they go where they work is determined by an entire mental state focused on the environment it makes them

an environmentalist I think we need to move from being conservative to being from Freedom mentalists every aspect of

our life is be based on bringing back freedom

now we have a foundation a template that really made sense I agree and that's

conservatism to me go to the temple and make sense right

yeah so that's a concern you know we can't change that we can't another problem is

we've already changed a lot of those roles practice them to run it by Senator it

used yeah the 17th Amendment yeah so what their demographics call the super house right so you can spend money like

Congress yes why don't you pick yourself up to the house

um actually a number of reasons if you look at the U.S Senate you only have to be 30 years old to be a senator we don't

have a single Senator under 40. my generation has been completely duped by

what's going on both on the Democrat side and then many of them who are in

the Republican side many of them still believe in big government they just believe it on social values instead of

fiscal values and that's very frustrating to me we will have no voice in the U.S Senate even though our

generation will be on the hook for this debt we will also be taking care of the largest senior population in the history

of the country on the largest debt in the history of the country and no one's talking about it and no one's prepared

us for it my husband and I have spent the last five years as full-time caregivers of his grandmother so she

could age in her own home we've already done what my generation is supposed to be preparing to do but no one's talking

to them about it no one's preparing them for it I've already done it and I want to go forward as a Conservative

Christian pro-life woman and say I know the joys I know the trials and I know it

can be done because I know Liberals are going to find the young face that says we can't afford seniors and they will

promote assisted suicide euthanasia yanking health care benefits yanking

Social Security benefits because they're going to say we can't afford them so that's one reason number two there's

only one pro-life woman in the entire United States Senate I find that very troubling because every woman I know

believes that way and votes that way also of these 17 women in the Senate

only fire a Republican and only one is a conservative I find that very concerning

we already have one male attorney as a senator I don't think we need a second one

and so as someone who is not an attorney I have a background I got my bachelor's

in English from Austin College and I got my Master's in dispute resolution and conflict management from SMU to do

mediation negotiation and conflict management systems I think we need that desperately enough in the Republican

party let alone in the Senate so those are some many reasons why I'm saying the Senate instead of the house

how does a magic Bill Ferry and I can pass one thing and you'd have no opposition to get it through within the

one bill you want to get taxed oh there's a really long list and every day no no I agree every day something

different gets me more pissed off it's Heather hi y'all everyone meet Heather

Jordan that Heather Hilton she was my Midwife and she is new to the club here

coming in I'm sorry I tried to have a home birth for 48 hours

and my son was turned wrong and we tried every natural method to turn him and he

wouldn't turn and and her Infinite Wisdom she said get your fat butt to the hospital so I ended up having a

c-section but she was an extraordinary midwife with a question my newest hire at the firm

voted for Obama in 2008 right our last political event was going to a tea party

thing was her blind fiance right except handouts and exposed to that Community

because of the entitlementality right how are you going to bring more of those people to the line you can't bring

anyone in by calling them a name first I tell people all the time as a

Christian I've never want anyone to Christ by calling them a name first we have to get rid of that attitude and

that mentality and politics I feel like I feel like our political atmosphere is

like quicksand people have walked in and you know the more you move in quicksand the faster you sink what we have is

politicians teaching each other how to throw sand in each other's eyes instead of showing people how to get out of that

quicksand attitude and take a totally different approach to politics me personally it's talking to people it's interacting with them it's listening to

what they have to say what their concerns are finding the root of what has upset them or made them afraid and

then addressing it from a liberty mindset and trying to walk them through each step of that we have to stop being

completely emotionally focused on each issue and really get past emotion help people get through that and get to the

logic and reason of it because everyone does have logic and reasoning capabilities but we don't always take

the time to get through the emotional part we spend more time screaming and yelling than communicating how are you

going to get through the media filters particularly for where you're coming from primarily for anybody

they don't want anyone that could remotely look like another Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann they do not need an

intelligent articulate educated passionate pro-life Christian woman out there they're going to hate me more than

any man in this race or any other race for that matter I'm totally aware of that and completely prepared for that

the only way to move beyond their message is to keep your own message and keep the message the message not get

into the bickering and arguing with them do not get onto their level keep saying what you believe and believing what you

say and never stop repeating it Dina campaign

right and

campaign is really formulating your message on almost every single any issue you could possibly imagine before you go

out and have to talk about it I know that's tough I think she's a brilliant woman I think she's a wonderful woman she worked really really hard I think

there's never going to be a time that they will be fair to a conservative woman so you need to be ready for them

to be tricky and we have to be better prepared on all the issues we have to make sure we've not it's not even just

about calling it coaching but it's really communicating is your message clear is it on point because the first

three words you say are what people are gonna hear they're not going to hear the rest of your paragraph you have to be

ready for the first few words to be your answer we still haven't answered your question about what piece of legislation

I would want to pass immediately with no resistance and most immediately no you're good that's really good thank you

though I would say Obamacare most immediately just immediately

I'm sorry no no no he said what piece of legislation if he was the legislation

magic bearing if I could pass something and it would it would pass with no resistance I would say the repeal of

Obamacare yeah overturning Obamacare think that the doctors and hospitals

should have Monopoly and be able to charge whatever they want do I think they should have a monopoly I don't

think there's a monopoly in a free market system because people will go to Alternatives a perfect example is I started out at an obstetrician when I

was pregnant the service was terrible in only one visit I listened as I was

sitting in my room and for my second visit the first visit I was really upset but I thought I'll give him another chance it was a bad day the second visit

I'm waiting as they double booked my doctor and I'm listening to the girl across the hall saying I've never seen

the doctor I miss your assistant and so that was it for me the next day we called a midwife twice as much as the

rest of the world for health care we do have this much foreign

to tell everybody that oh we got to reveal yeah okay specifically what about Obamacare have you read the bill I

haven't read every page in the bill I've read a significant amount and I've read a lot of other information surrounding it went on like dislike about it

specifically one I hate the way they repay things what they're going to do now is instead of paying in each

individual provider that gives care they're going to throw a pile of money on the floor for each person saying that's all there is whoever claims at

first gets it so even if someone's provided care if they don't file in time they're not going to get paid for it I

don't like that I think that's wrong use render Services you should get paid for it but two I don't like that the federal government is involved in any decision

making concerning our health care I don't like what people are calling the death panel I think it needs to go I think it's completely unconstitutional

that there's a panel of people who the only time they are going to be in check is if Congress takes the time to pass

legislation to overrule something that they've dictated that's what I've read recently

okay woman thank you for correcting me here's what else I don't like about Obamacare I don't think anyone in the

federal government knows better than you on what the best way is to treat your body whether you want to use alternative

medicine whether you want to use traditional medicine we pay twice as much not only because insurance companies are in there but because

hospitals are required by various laws to treat people who cannot pay someone's got to pay for them at some point

I was supposed to correct that's a big part of it it's trying to correct it I also don't like the fact that you think

that people should need to just turned away to that lift and die when they they

need help well first of all majority of people who because my mother's a nurse and I'm familiar with what's going on in

hospitals and I have friends who are the positions the majority of people the vast majority of people who show up in emergency rooms are not in a life and

death situation the vast majority of them have a cold or a sore throat or a

tummy ache that is a normal everyday illness issue that they should see their doctor for and do not and then into the

emergency room as their Physicians room that is a completely wrong allocation

resources I don't think Obama's going to change that but Obamacare is going to change

that at all but we can disagree I also don't like the fact that they're requiring by federal law for us to buy

insurance like we shouldn't we we shouldn't be required by the federal government to purchase evening and it's

not in the Constitution and they should not be requiring us to do it so I disagree with that I don't have health

insurance

doctors and nurses are making way too much

they're they're overpaid it's not a competitive market okay I disagree with

you I have friends and family who are in the healthcare profession they're not making way too much I have actually a

friend who her father's a doctor he is a urologist and he almost did not come to

practice in Texas because his liability insurance had to be so high he couldn't afford it he couldn't charge enough to

help afford the liability insurance he'd be required to keep to even practice in Texas so I don't think that's an issue

but at the same time I believe if someone is going to pay 200 000 for Education it's going to cost money for

them to pay that back and we want the experts we want the Harvard level of

care but we want to pay Walmart prices for it for me that personally doesn't make sense whenever I had my child I

didn't have health insurance I paid my Midwife in cash because that's the

professor what we wanted to do that's what we both agreed to when I had to be taken to the hospital for a C-section

because my son wouldn't come he was turned wrong I negotiated with the hospital I'd negotiated with the doctor

I negotiated with the anesthesiologist and I negotiated with a pediatrician and we talked about payment plans and how

much I could really afford to pay and what they were willing to take and we're all happy parties in that situation our

Care Health Care is expensive because of things like Medicare and Medicaid that pay dramatically less than doctors and

hospitals can afford because hospitals are and Physicians are frequently required to take on patients that give

no that get paid nothing back and many of the doctors I know take those people anyway and give pro bono care so they're

not all evil they're not all out for every Baller in my opinion because I know a lot of them and we can respectfully disagree I do not think

Obama Carter will solve problems I think what it'll do is give 15 000 more people a job at the IRS with the ability to go

through your taxes which really quite frankly wouldn't you spend on Health Care is none of their business and try

to audit you audits in the last 10 years for the American middle class have more than doubled so this was your motive is

primarily that you have given your family are in the medical industry yes my family's not middle industry my mom's

a nurse my dad is actually he's was forced to retire because he was in a

terrible car accident he had no health insurance is built for three hundred thousand

dollars by the time the trucking company that was responsible for his accident paid for what they negotiated in a

program my father and my mother still had to pay over twenty thousand dollars in medical bills and they've been paying it off taken care of yes he was taken

care of after three days when they decided to finally operate on him because the first three days they didn't

think he'd lived so they didn't want to waste their time what if they turned him away he said I'm sorry my mother went to

a different hospital because my mother is a very determined person but here's what I'm saying is that's not why I'm in this race I'm in this race because our

country has completely moved away from freedom and has moved away from being a

constitutionally based Nation to being a nation dictated by bureaucrats our

Central planners and I disagree with them and not one of them knows how to educate my child better me that better

than me not one of them knows how to choose health care for myself and my family better than me not one of them knows how to choose the right vehicle

for my family better than me but every one of them wants the ability to be able to dictate that and I completely

disagree I'm sorry yes sir so Obamacare is going to give us Harvard prices and

Walmart care as opposed to well and that depends on who you are

because if you're a senior they've taken 500 billion out of Medicare so if you

start if you continue to get care in the next 10 years then you must really know

someone's prices

and that's why you negotiate with the physician I got great care and I

negotiated with the hospital and I go to negotiate with our physicians and it all worked out well you actually making

negotiations no it was after no my husband and I

didn't want to go to the hospital because we wanted to be able to pay people what they wanted for the services

they're rendering and I paid my Midwife in cash up front like that's that's what

she wanted we agreed to that and so when it came to the doctors in the hospital they asked do you have insurance I said

no I'm I'm gonna pay myself and they said okay here you go they let me apply they asked me if I wanted to apply for

Medicaid half this babies in this state are born on Medicaid because they knew I was lower income I said no thank you I

don't want to be on Medicaid I will pay myself out of cash or a check over a period of time and they said fine so

what they did was they gave us 15 days they said either your bill is fifteen

thousand dollars or if you can pay it in 15 days it'll be eight thousand dollars so I spoke to my parents my husband

spoke to his parents they loaned us the money temporarily we paid the hospital and now we are paying back our family

members because I believe it should start with you if you can't do it you moved your family and you they can't do it move your friends move to your church

move to your community my Sunday school class paid my Obstetricians Bill well the question issue

um what would you propose or do you have any ideas that would make it possible because the government could do or

anyone could do right to make it possible for the whole Healthcare System to be moved out of this manage

centralized Democratic institutions

well and what I would say too is we need to remember that when we were talking about this issue we need to think about

where where we're talking about it in Austin and in big cities without a doubt big centralized corporations are in

charge of a great deal of this and they make life a lot easier for doctors because they will pay the staff to deal

with all of the Medicare paperwork this the Medicaid paperwork the insurance paperwork that that's a significant

portion of the doctor's fees is covering just the staff to cover paperwork in red tape if you look at small towns and

rural areas it's a very different story so when we think about this we need to think about it on a nationwide or a

Statewide level and not just what the big cities are dealing with how do we get to get through that I mean

we're going to literally have to get away from this idea that the government should pay for or be involved in the

price regulation of any aspect of Health Care they help control and manage prices

in a million ways through regulating positions through limiting your choices and what you can do in health care what

kind of health care you can pursue what we call Health Care we're going to have to literally roll back their ability to

control every aspect of Health Care from you feeling not feeling well and so you

decide where to go to how you pay your bill it's going to take a lot of work it's not just Obamacare there's a

million other ways that they control prices I mean a perfect example is vaccines

Hillary Clinton through Hillary care told all the vaccine companies you need

to give a special prize to the government and you and it's a dramatically reduced price

by the time it was over we had started out with eight different vaccine companies in America and it got down to

three because most of them couldn't afford to stay in business and be providers in that way because of price controls it

didn't matter what it cost them to create something the government only wanted to pay this much for it and they were trapped in that situation so we

have to literally get them out of this price control cost control situation where only Medicare hits this price or

only Medicaid gets this prize and insurance companies get this prize I think that's wrong hang up here was right behind you yeah

um I really think it's enchanted with the public party back in 2004 right after we worked hard

to get divorce reelected right we got paid for the Medicare prescription Department right and my office used to

be across the hall from Senator Johnson representative New Hampshire right and I

want you to listen to John what the hell have we done yeah right and he said oh

don't worry about it here we have the perfect solution that's the health savings account

everything that you're seem to be articulating right that you'd like to have and sure enough we had it for about

15 months right and then how sooner did we have it's like bait and switch will allow you to have health savings

accounts before the prescription drugs all right and then 15 months later that

thing which I got from sporting Services was gone right now go ahead so what's

your question so I mean there is a solution right and it's been introduced into law and

the student was an introducible law that was taken away by the special papers right right how do we address that I

think literally we address it by making sure that of the 33 senators of her

election next year we get a majority of them with very liberty-minded

mentalities I mean one person can stand and they will educate I mean a perfect example is what Rand Paul is doing right

now he's standing on a lot of things that even other tea party candidates aren't standing for and he's being a

voice and he's on the senate floor and he's willing to say I'm going to filibuster in ways that other candidates won't we're just going to have to really

work Nationwide not just in Texas but work to make sure that people who are very Freedom focused are elected

Nationwide am I willing to do well work for everybody

oh absolutely absolutely that should be the centerpiece the one thing you know

when somebody asks what they're wanting me to do is I'm going to go and I'm going to filibuster every bad Bill what I see coming down the pipe oh yeah you

might want to say that I can do that thank you for that advice but when I look at Obamacare okay I

still view it as a stalking horse a successful stocking horse I like medical savings accounts

I'm going to drop a health care employment coverage for my 49.2 years so

that someone else can pay for it well it's going to be cheaper yeah it's going to be cheaper that's how they planned it

plan for me it's the way you go to Single Payer yeah that being said the problem with health insurance was it was

already 40 government run right Medicare and Medicaid when you pointed that out we moved from 40 to 51 with Obamacare

right at some level it's a model in the middle problem either extreme is better right

as long as it's a drop down for aspirational rich people like me so

really what it comes down to and here's my question reporting is Health Care a human right

it's not a right that's delineated specifically as health care in the

Constitution that's real god-given right I think that when you say life liberty

and the pursuit of happiness if you want to have life you've got to have health

I think each individual pays for their own care and if there's an issue that like I I'm a perfect example

I'm the oldest of four children in a family of six other should have been not

admitted to the hospital now because he didn't have the payment up front he I've

never said that if you don't have payment up front you don't care I'm talking about people who never pay it off no I said people who never paid it's

not the same I don't think it's a right no that that a right that someone else has to pay for

it what I'm saying is if you can agree to paying for it which my parents did they said we will pay please care for

him my mother's a nurse she knew what she was doing she knew who to talk to and my mother stayed by my father all

nine weeks he was in the hospital six weeks under drug induced coma three weeks recovering on his own

let me finish what I'm saying and I'll help you understand I'm the oldest of four children

one of my brothers is what's called a brittle juvenile diabetic most diabetics still make about two

percent of their insulin my brother makes .02 percent they told my mother he wouldn't live to see 21.

this was when he was about eight years old my parents because my brother had a

pre-existing condition frequently paid almost everything for my brother's care because he every time my father would

get a different job and they had new health insurance for one year they wouldn't cover my brother because it was a pre-existing condition my parents

still paid my brother's bills they committed to it they did it they took care of it and my brother is now 27

years old because my mother took good care of him then about seven years ago my mother

turned out had rheumatoid arthritis ever since then anytime my family has changed

jobs my mother has a pre-existing condition and my parents pay cash out of pocket for my mother's care

then my father was in a terrible car accident he broke his neck and three places his back in three places all of

his ribs bruised a kidney and collapsed along broke his left orbital bone

bruised his brain no and I'll tell you why it didn't because the premiums were

so high for my mother and brother he couldn't afford to insure all three of them what he did have was Aflac

he had paid for their accident policy my father was in an accident about two weeks after he dropped his own health

care there was a cow in the middle of the road it's a truck driver had fallen asleep

a minivan going 70 miles an hour smashed into my father after he had hit the cow he did not receive immediate care

because all of the EMTs thought that anybody in that truck would be dead and they didn't want to waste their time on

them they cared for everybody else who had had accidents and then came to my father when they heard him saying will

someone get my head out of the glove box they hauled him to the hospital he was

in there for three days before they operated on him because they didn't think he would live and they didn't want to waste their time when he outlived the

three days they operated on his neck to fix it what I'm saying is you know my parents

any time they haven't had health insurance have still paid cash paid out

and it may have taken some time a couple of years but they've paid every penny for the health care that they wanted for

their family hospital had to trust that they would absolutely because they didn't have no insurance it was a

gentleman's agreement you got it okay but they knew that both my parents were employed so they were likely to get paid

first up it's it's by law and they have to treat the right under the situation

regardless if you're okay let's stop and think about it and there's some Republicans that say that should not be

the man they should have been able to you've heard him away

because those are people who go into the ERS or the hospitals it's not a life or death situation but the paperwork it

takes for a physician to prove that it's not life or death is so onerous and how

they will be sued and lose their license if they if it turns out to be wrong they go ahead and treat them anyway

any other questions

regardless of what the Supreme Court has ruled throughout history right and regardless of what the law is today what

do you feel that an article in Section 8 I believe I don't have my pocket constitution on me they explain for

everybody so everybody knows right okay um article section 8 basically defines what

the Federal Government Can Do Right the federal government what do you think and what do you feel

me personally about the general welfare Clause okay I think the limit of the

federal government concerning our general welfare should end at a National Defense period that's all I want the

federal government doing a National Defense period And I don't want that very clearly defined because a war on

terror has created in many people's minds the idea of a National Defense that should include the Patriot Act

which I think is completely unconstitutional and has created a radical invasion of American lives and

privacy all the federal government should do is a National Defense and that means many times we are not defending

other nations we are only focused on our own are there times that we may need to intervene it's entirely possible I'm not

a completely non-interventionist person because every time I look at what Hitler did to the Jews I have a really hard

time thinking that we should ignore something like that but at the same time what we've defined as a reasonable

intervention has gone way out of constitutional bounds and way out of logic and financial reasons

so does that answer your question National Defense that's it

yes I mean I vote I vote that we need to get out of Iraq again Afghanistan Oblivion I mean aside from the fact that

there are Undeclared Wars is a serious problem number one number two our goal

for going into Iraq since it wasn't oil was to get rid of Saddam Hussein mission

accomplished so we need to come back we need to let them rebuild their nation in the way

they believe and alignment with their beliefs and their amplitudes and mentalities I know that a lot of people are trying to paint this idea that

everybody in Iraq is anti-American or wants all of us to be you know not

everyone's a radical is a religious extremist over there it's such a tiny amount of the population and it's up to

the population to keep them from being in power just like it's up to us to keep power-hungry people out of office here

like Muslims or flown from America and Destroy them I'm sorry I say that again

a lot of Muslims are going to come here and kill us all um well I didn't know that there was a

flood if you could show me actual data and numbers of floods of Muslims coming

here to kill us all I I'd be curious to see those hard numbers and hard data but I'm sure it's actually top secret

illness CIA files I'm sorry oh I've been actually I was a tea party

activist before I was a candidate I've been to a number of tea party meetings so here's what I believe you could be a member of any party and disagree with

part of what people say here's what I think about the Republican Party in the Tea Party just to give you a quick

analogy I am a Christian I read the Bible I

believe Jesus Is My Savior I am a part of the umbrella of Christians but I don't attend every

church because I don't think every Church's theology is correct I am a republican I am under the general

umbrella of Republicans of the denomination called Texas

Republicans which are far more conservative than the rest of the country I don't give to the other denominations I don't give to the other

states I don't give to their evangelists their their leaders their leadership because I don't agree with them I don't

believe in what they're doing I give only the candidates I believe in because on the state party level and on the

federal level I don't think they've done a great job and it's the same thing for the tea party I held on certain programs

that I believe in and agree with if I don't agree with a speaker or I don't believe them I don't give to them I

don't attend

I think they were just really hopeful I think they just kept believing the idea that it's going to get better it's going

to get better they're gonna they're gonna honor their promises and I think it finally got to a number of people to be too much and they just needed a rally

and cry and they found one which is what I believe I'm sorry we need to have a tea party on the stock

market floor when that gentleman said it on National Television I think that Lit a lot of people up but I think there was

a lot of underground work before that I mean everyone who follows her on call knows the work he's been doing and they

were waiting for someone who's willing to stand out front on those issues local tea party meetings

but I don't hear it because it is it seems like this tea party just wants a

team take what we have paid for you know last week

they've already paid for they want to steal it right um when when all they have to do is is

tax your welcome seats restored the taxes

for me to stop that the ridiculous amount of money that we've I mean what

we're spending on so-called National Security defense with the quickest it cost 1.2

million dollars for every Soldier that's in Afghanistan right

our health is is a security issue Michelle Obama

would definitely agree with you on that she said that not too long ago I'm sorry one second because if you asked a lot

let me give her a chance go ahead and I'll come back to understand I don't want to forget you guess okay

what's going on Social Security

and not putting it on their own so let's we're not God

are you familiar with insurance companies now insurance companies well let me give you some hard numbers

hearing the hard numbers on that when they started Social Security there were

17 workers for every one retiree if we keep going down the path we're on now

with the lack of Reproductive Services going on in America with people not having children we will be down to two

people and two workers for every retiree the average retiree has only paid 40 of

what they take the average retiree is living long

enough and it's on Social Security and Medicare long enough that they are only

actually have put in 40 of what they actually end up using

so when we say they're taking our money I personally think everyone that's owed

social security should be given a check back for everything they were paid in and if they want to put it in an IRA or

a mutual fund or another way retire if they want to go find lottery tickets with it it's their business but I don't

think it's anyone's business to promise her future earnings

without her permission to continue to pay for the care of those who possibly

didn't take care of themselves first of all the government should default on his promise well to its own

when you say the government I think the politicians in the past 40 years have

lied and made promises and they're going to do just fine but it's still going to rob my generation and her generation at

the rate that we're going she will have to pay taxes of 70 on the income she makes that's a crime it wouldn't be any

problem at all don't stop I agree and now on Military that the

aggressively made the world's fans I understand and that's actually only a portion of it but Decatur Institute has

an entire website called downsizing federal government that can tell you to the penny every agency what can be

reduced and I think you should take a look at it because you'll find even more Beyond defense if you didn't need to ask a question did you have one yeah

it's hard people treat you terribly

the U.S Senate yes and they only I was not on and I'll tell you why I talked to

the Texas Tribune Evan Smith in person and through email and my some of my

supporters even emailed him their standard was a person had to have raised

at least a hundred thousand dollars to even be considered to be on that stage since it was going to cost so much money

to run overall and I understand where they're coming from but my response was well why not have a forum in two parts

one part for the first four candidates and part two for the other four candidates and fully inform people of

how many people are in the race and what they believe and what they have to do and Evan Smith did not respond to my email but what I tell you also explained

to him the hypocrisy of what he was doing the hundred thousand dollars Michael Williams and Tom leopard and Roger

Williams had all personally loaned their their campaign accounts a minimum of that amount personal wealth offense

things on that stage when no one else could have done that so there is hypocrisy in it I'm not bothered by it

I'm just working hard to meet people and talk to them because I think people are far more interested in getting to know you as a person than watching you for

one controlled hour on PBS

right from donations

how do you expect to raise enough money to be a serious break well I just continue to work I'm really

working harder than any other candidate I've been to more programs more meetings and talk to more people than almost all of them I think probably combined so

it's really just I'm gonna have to be committed to working hard I mean whenever I hear them talk about how they're sacrificing for freedom I did my

taxes for last year and I was working part-time so I could also continue to campaign and have a baby

I made working part-time fourteen thousand dollars last year twelve thousand of it I spent on this campaign

so when they talk about their sacrifice I don't really sweat too much about what they've really done

oh I know the difference having a chance yeah

much more wealthy they do and have all kinds of contacts literally working harder than everyone

else and doing everything I can to recruit people to help me if I don't have a million dollars in the next year

I'm still going to continue to fight this fight because I would much rather get everything that I am and all that I

have to this fight now than to mourn the war my son will have to fight because I

didn't do my job thank you yesterday okay John's going to respond for me

thank you John if we can get Layla on stage with her

opponents she will outshine them with her charisma

that's worth something you can see what happened with Sarah Palin when she appeared on the scene she

lit up the room and Lila does that when you put our next to Ted Cruz Ted's

a real nice guy he does not light up a room she's not just pretty

she knows the issues she can handle herself or debate

far better than Sarah or Michelle can and I think that's worth something and

if we can just get her before and up people they'll turn things around by the way I should point out since I

have a microphone that hopefully in November Leela will be the Republican

nominee and I'll be able to live the libertarian that way he will both be on the ballot

thank you John John and I are friends he's unfairly biased towards me John you

like so much why don't you just drop out every umbrella yeah

well if we if we join forces against the Democrat I think will be more effective

yes sir so you you commented about Evan Smith one of the things that the one of

the elephants in the room that nobody has exposed yet in Texas and as a candidate it's probably not mutants but

for you to expose but part of the issue is how do we as Republicans and Liberty lovers expose it the Texas Tribune was

founded by George Soros type right John Thornton and if you do Huffington Post

and fundraising look at who he backs is John Edwards and Barack Obama right he

is a venture of altered capitalist who has made close to a billion dollars and

he's as left as the day is long he knows that an objective media cannot survive

in the National age right and so he's brilliant he's figured out if we can turn the media into a protected charity

and he's raising money from Republicans right now and shaping them down to fund

quality media like PBS right so let hardcore left-wing media will survive

right the likes of the free market alternative media right and no one's calling him on it and no one's Evan

Smith is one of his lackeys he's not going to be your friend no I never expected him too yeah please don't thank

you see the game that's going on behind the curse nobody's unveiling it what do

we need to do to get that story out there Thornton is asaurus he says George Soros of Texas

and the whole Texas perfume is a hardcore left-wing Shakedown scam just

like every Foundation Ford Foundation right Crocs Foundation McDonald's got stolen by his left-wing wife his second

wife all foundations be stolen by environment which is the title of liberals and turns left next to him from

day one is how much money can we get from Republican entrepreneurs until they figure out our game how do we expose

that and here I don't know that I watched it on video saying no here's what I'll tell you is everyone I know

responds really well to a YouTube video a quick visual that's less than five minutes make a video get it out there

people forward that stuff like crazy most people don't even leave me on Facebook and I made thank you

alarms I get one meeting with the dude and I may want to they want the million one day it's entirely possible and in a

free market you are welcome to do that Dave did you have another question okay

what's your position on um

here's what I'll tell you my position on gay marriage I am a Christian I personally believe that marriage is

between a man and a woman but I have a serious problem with the fact that the church continually asks the federal

government to intervene on Church spiritual religious issues if we

continue to ask them to intervene on every moral issue they will become our morality police and they will tell the

church what they can and cannot say how they can spend their money and what they do they do it in a large part already

with things like pastors won't speak out on politics because they're afraid of losing their tax exempt status I think

the church needs to put an end to looking to the federal government to answer moral issues and they need to get

them out of it all together the church should I mean the government should not be in the marriage industry the

government should not be in the health care industry the government should not be deciding how you educate your child I

think the church needs to quit looking to the federal government to be our adult police it's a serious problem

because that's the sort of thing that allows people like Hitler to get so much power over the Christian faith and

what's happened churches kept their mouths shut as Hitler did everything that he did so you mentioned earlier so

you wouldn't run a game reprogramming Clinic using Federal money well I don't think I bothered quite

frankly by any politician that takes government money I'm bothered by the fact that so many of them have farms and

get hundreds of thousands of dollars in farm money and AG money that's a serious

problem I tell people all the time you would be shocked to know how much money your politician is making in tax dollars

through the exemptions and the legislation they're creating they've turned you over no I don't think that

they should be taking Federal money I don't think anyone should take care of money but I also believe the federal government should only do a National

Defense

I think that's each State's individual right and their responsibility

well and so the only other thing that I might bend on is immigration do we want

to have a national immigration policy because quite frankly unless each individual State wants to have military at every single border to keep you know

the immigrants who came freely into Texas from Crossing into Oklahoma or crossing over into Arkansas I don't want

us to get in that kind of mess so I might bend on immigration but what they're doing how they've not managed it

is really causing us a lot of problems right now so I'm pretty limited on what I think they should do you know each

individual State frequently has better and higher standards than what the federal government does on education the Texas the Texas environmental groups

have a Texas environmental program has a higher standard for clean air quality than the EPA but the EPA is still suing

us to have control over our air quality no I think each individual State and that way people are able to most likely

live in the place that agrees with what they believe and spends money the way they want it spent I think if you want

to believe in gay marriage move to New York Texas not going to happen move to New York move to California Love It live

it spend your money that way the only thing that really frustrates me is when Texas does so well they all move here

with their liberal values I think they should have to leave their voting card at the state line sometimes until they

spend a year here understanding why it is successful but they're not going to it's not going to happen that way it may

help you I don't always give you an example if there's one what you're saying and you're just right here we're trying to hold it remember this but

well and not just that but my husband's grandmother that we take care of she's a nurse and she got her license in West

Virginia but Texas was a super super kidding State they said we agree with your licensing standards she came to

Texas she was a successful nurse she had a wonderful career here I think the states should be able to negotiate and

decide these things I don't think the federal government Central planners get it right ever and we spend more money and when they

get it wrong they want more money for it if a business spends money and does it wrong they go out of business and it

doesn't happen that way with any government program I mean can anyone think of a government program that's died or been shut down

oh yeah even then it's not even over because we have people who are fighting with NASA alive in the 1970s

it's about 14 times less money per dollar result for the country to hold an

agriculture at the time and now it's not that way so yeah I don't think the

federal government does very much very well any other questions yes sir

my favorite Federal program is anyone hearing the crickets

I'm listening favorite Federal programs

I'm really trying I'm thinking I'm trying to go through the Departments you know there's like a million right now I

don't have a lot of love do we need diplomacy do we need diplomacy

I don't know uh our current state department isn't exactly very America

friendly as a concept yes no and you know when you have a

president that does not perform well in front of other nations sometimes you need a secretary of state to go around

that and correct that situation and you need people with wisdom to help approach that but very small somebody need to

fire things away before exactly so they can later write a book and talk about all about it so what else

Heather no questions probably because we spent like two hours together every time we saw each other

exactly aside from the 48 Hours Heather see me at my worst and she still supports me so I think we'll be okay

anybody else late joiners any questions I don't know if you already answered this but uh

I'm not a fan of marijuana personally but I've been on federal government spending 40 billion dollars a year and

keep it illegal right right like you're saying I don't think the

federal government has any place okay here's what I'll say is I'm not a

fan of hot either I've never done it yeah I thought I had never seen it uh I never hung out with folks that did not

that I think they're evil or awful or wrong but the one time apparently I did my husband and I were at a print a house

a friend of his and he was apparently on the table I had no idea I didn't even notice it um it's not me it's not my style it's

not my thing I do have a problem with the fact that we have

far too many people in jail and others who are violent evil

criminals being released because our jails are overcrowded I do have a problem and I agree with you

we're spending a lot of money keeping this thing illegal when quite frankly it's used it's a quality material

product not even just for smoking but it can be used for clothing and so many other very beneficial programs and

aspects of life so yeah I have a problem with the federal government and and the

more we have on that it's never ending it will never end so it is truly an

excuse to keep an endless program an endless amount of agencies in existence

and funded and I have lots of family who are in federal law enforcement and in

drug and drug enforcement and finding those Wars and those battles I don't agree I don't think we need more people

to die over pot I have a hard time with legalizing everything heroin just really

doesn't interest me as something the government needs to be regulating and selling and taxing but I agree pot is a

serious prop prohibition is a serious problem for us financially and it's created a

serious problem in our prison systems but what I'll tell you is there's a lot of people making money in person systems there's a lot of people make their

livelihood finding the drug war and that's going to be a huge bill of decline does that answer your question

it does but I think the pill you know it would save us more money oh absolutely it would save a lot of money it's a huge

I didn't say it shouldn't be fined it's gonna be it will be tough there's a lot of people making a lot of money on

this right now it's pretty much different from them to produce Pierre

do you have to take place before America oh absolutely so how do we reach that Optimist control

it's going to take like I said it's going to take us working on a national level and working to elect people on a

national level who are going to have a very different attitude about politics this should be about governing this

shouldn't be about politics this should be about the Constitution this should be

about people's real and very necessary rights this shouldn't be about someone

stealing another person's money to pay for a program they believe in that that person may disagree with but we're going

to have to change our attitude we're going to have to elect leaders who have a different attitude about these things

do you think the government can survive the monetary crisis for itself do I

think it can when you say survive there's a difference between a person who is brain dead and on life support is

being kept alive and there's a person who's walking around free and healthy and doing well our right now our

financial situation is on life support almost brain dead do I think our government can survive

this I think there's enough chicanery and trickery that these boys will survive just about anything do I think

our nation and our constitution can survive this absolutely but we're going to have to have people in office who are

ready to deal with the really really painful stuff and not be afraid of the Heat

I'm pretty tempted pretty tempted if I can be in labor for 48 hours without medication

than having some Senator get in my face really doesn't bother me we can medicate

you you're good for 480 hours a medication for me literally would be

chocolate that's about it I don't drink coffee I don't drink anything but water not I don't drink alcohol so I'm happy

we're going to need more than just one person Rand Paul cannot be alone as much as I hope Marco Rubio will step up a

little more right now he's not I don't I don't feel like he's as bold as I want him to be he's not as tall as he said he

would be yeah and Mike Lee seems to be Michael is very good Mike Lee's great I love listening to him on the Cato

Institute podcasts and he's a very smart band you know he automatically endorsed

Ted Cruz without meeting all the other candidates or talking to them so that's I'm a little disappointed Mike that way

but it's not like he owes me an endorsement so anything to know about you

oh I am on Jim demint's website so since Mike Lee was endorsed by Jim DeMent I

don't know how he was in the dark but he didn't call me he didn't talk to

any of the other candidates from what I understand and that's okay that is his right that's absolutely his right his

freedom of Association New York they've got that weird thing going with the conservative line and

people running sometimes in Baltimore parties right where you're set positionally not entirely out of the

running to do really well with the Constitution party as well right are there enough voters there to even make

it worth your while yeah I mean I will talk to them and I'll encourage them to vote for me because you can't change

anything if you don't win right you've got to win to be able to change from within we get criticize all day long

from the outside but unless you are getting ready to strategically relocate to another Nation if this doesn't work

out you've got to win and you've got to be inside it to change it they shouldn't be running a candidate

so I'll be showing up in the primary advantage for you I wish that I'm not going to try to restrict them in any way

and I don't think that we should have legislation in the state that restricts people from voting for a different party or a party having another opportunity I

think that's wrong to limit them that way I mean geez we're not communist China yeah

well we're sadly we're much closer than people even understand when we fall do we fall from previous totalitarianism of

the left or a rightly encounter Revolution to restore the Republic that never quite gets around to it from the

rights I'm really hoping for an altogether

revolution of ideas I never want to see people get to guns

and I'm heartbroken to hear the number of people who talk like that I don't think that's going to solve our

problem it would end a lot of lives and it wouldn't end it wouldn't change a person's mind well ten percent of people

know what's going on right yeah

the other half they're stepping on the gas yes I agree and when you say the other half the reality is only about 25

percent only about 25 of people who are eligible to vote in this country are even bothering to vote and the Texas

primaries the last time we had one less than three million people voted in the primary even though we have 18 million

people in this state eligible to vote we have to when people talk about this great American awakening I'm sorry I'm

not saying it yet less than 25 is not awake that's like if you're laying in bed and you have one eye open that's it

that's how little it is right now we have a lot more work to do we have a lot more of those brush fires of Freedom we

have to get started what else anything else aside from pot

I mean you're not for it I didn't know if there was any other issue important Liberation but you already answered that question okay what didn't we ask women

who wish we had I don't know I do love talking about all

the issues I mean obviously I want to end the Department of Education I'm for total

freedom of choice when it comes to education I'm a firm believer in homeschooling

my husband and I are we are going to homeschool our son mostly because I wanted to speak more than one language I

love languages I wanted to know the classics I want him to be able to recite his Bible with ease and I wanted to be

able to recite the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence with ease and I want him at an age younger than

college to be able to understand what John Locke was talking about and you don't get that in public

education and sadly you don't even get it in a lot of private schools anymore you get a lot more in California now in kindergarten yeah in California in fact

they just signed legislation requiring gay history and social studies and God bless them it's their state as long as

it's not a federal law they're welcome to teach that but I'm not living in California I don't want that talk to my

son if I want it I should be able to teach it I shouldn't require someone else to teach it yeah

and I thought I was going to say you would be totally shocked by the kid rights of Massachusetts high school I'm

not I've read a lot about it and I have people who don't believe me about what's being required in the education system

people who are Educators who don't believe me when I tell them what's being taught in other schools in other states and I send them emails I send them

articles that there are a lot of people who definitely don't want to hear it I can't tell you how often I talk to people who look at me and just say I

don't want to hear it I don't I don't want to hear it it's not possible on immigration on taxes on our debt there

are a lot of people who say I just I can't handle that I don't want to hear it it's not going to happen one of the things that I'm impressed I didn't mean

to bring that up no that's totally fine since I've been involved with probability of office here in Texas one

of the things that I have really woken up to is when you look at the key players like Bad actors in our state

legislature right like one in a hotel or per Watts right right the ingredients if

you thought that would continue saying that stuff was bad we've seen worse stuff like safe

1440 in the last legislatures that's 2009 right where they were going to they

had snubbed in Committee in a special session length that Kirk Watson had

introduced Latter Day Brandon CPS access to children without rentals yes right or just pause right

that got defeated in the life of Senate with Patrick Rose attached it

and the Republican Liberty caucus was part of this this movement you know for the moment in two days right to stop it

yeah we got 20 000 people to call the uh the governor's office

he hasn't beat away because he was going to sign that right and one of the things that we learned in doing all the

research is that the real bad actors are all funded by the family foundations okay

um

their foundations and their funds all the wealth you've been created with

Liberty providers it's being used to control other people that's right

what I find that we have to do is from my perspective because I find you because I try to educates people through

that fact right do you think it's off base to do that I

don't know that it's off base I think that a lot of people have a hard time with the idea that there's a conspiracy

of any kind they don't want to think about it that way they don't want to be seen as someone who believes that there

could be a conspiracy you know what I mean that there's like conspiracy I call it a gameplay yeah oh yeah absolutely

and so you have to change you have to adjust people's mindsets and language to

understand this isn't a fiction novel this isn't people living in their basement tuning in to you know ham radio

that's that's not what this is this is really everyday people who are concern about these issues concerned about these

ideas and want everyone to be fully educated on what's Happening I think it's possible too people that way I

think more than ever because of the technology we have between the internet and cell phones I think you really can't

educate people on a faster level than ever before but truly our presentation

has to be done with love and respect and understanding because it's not usually

going to be the first time that you say something to someone that they're going to really want to agree they need to roll it over and think it over so if

they disagree right away we have to know that we are planting seeds in some places and in other places we will be

harvesting the work of others does that make sense so that's that's how I feel

that you have to be patient persistent but you have to do it in kindness and love if we do it out of anger that's

what liberal media will use against us they love anger it keeps them in

business it really does I'm not interested in that and one quick thing Dave you asked what did we not ask I

believe that there needs to be legislation passed that says that any attachment to A bill must be domain to

the bill I think it's wrong that senators are forced to vote for a bill to fund the military and at the same

time an attachment to it's going to be for Planned Parenthood when they may not agree with those two both of those

issues I believe every piece of to every attachment every Amendment must be germane to the bill I think that's