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Tax attorney Larry Becraft discusses money, the income tax, IRS, and the constitutional issues involving them, at the Free Enterprise Society meeting in Austin, Texas, Dec. 15, 2012.
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we're going to have to shift over to mine okay that's good I can just uh
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scroll through it why don't you just get out of
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this oh it's already open
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beginning all right good that not money you yeah that's great that's great okay
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glad to have y'all here in 1970 I ran across a man by name
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of Tupper Saucy who lived in the county just north of me I live in North Alabama
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the town is Huntsville Alabama Drive 15 miles north and gee you're in Tennessee
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well I went up there to talked to Tupper in 1979 and we became fast friends and
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the reason why I did so is because I was interested in the money issue my
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background my training my education in undergraduate school got a degree in economics economics has always been
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something that I've been incredibly interested in one of the big issues that confronts the American people is the
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operation of the monetary system now I'd like to see a show of hands how many of
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you here have at least some appreciation of this Federal Reserve
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System our monetary systems based on credit you know it's it's different from gold and silver coin are at least some
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of you Converse with that issue okay well you know I I think that there are
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really two important issues that confront the American people and I'm not
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you know there there there are a lot of other issues but I think when you rank the issues that confront the American
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people there are two that are critically important to me first the money issue is
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perhaps one of the most Paramount of of importance and the reason for that is is that we're being subjected to a monetary
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system that was created by a powerful Elite and that monetary system is
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operated for their benefit to the detriment of the American
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people you know they they use this credit system they use this paper money system and when it's operating uh it
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benefits them doesn't benefit us so my presentation this morning is going to
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cover two matters first I'm going to spend a few minutes with you discussing the money issue and then that then after
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that I'm going to get into another issue that has some relationship to Taxation and it deals with
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jurisdiction you know I I've heard this tale you know perhaps it's true that
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there are Secret Service agents you know they go around and they look at you know counterfeit
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money and I have been told that the way they determine what is
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counterfeit is by looking at what is real so Secret Service agents if they
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want to detect you know fake $10 bills that are floating around they're going
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to look at the real thing and they're going to become so familiar with they can recognize the real thing that the
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moment that they see something fake they can recognize that it's fake now based on that principle what I'm going to do
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it you know after I go through this money issue presentation I am going to present to you something that relates
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jurisdiction and I am going to use
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you as an experiment and I've got about 130 pages of the United States statutes
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at large and I'm going to show to you something that the Congress of the United States has written and the United
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States statutes at large it may be very revealing to you
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and I may not may not tell you what what it means but I do do want to solicit
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your opinions about what some of this stuff means let me go through let's start off
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with the money issue this is something that's real
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important the United States Constitution has monetary Provisions in it you know
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when they met in Philadelphia in 1787 you this country had gone through hyperinflation as a result of the
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Revolutionary War you know there wasn't there wasn't any real agreement about what type of monetary system we should
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have what the the Constitutional Convention reached an agreement at that time and still today the power to
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declare a legal tender was possessed by the states and they had you know made
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paper a legal tender and as a result of making paper a legal tender there had been rampid inflation you know you can
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go back and read the documents and H the history of the Revolutionary War and see that they did you know have rampid
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inflation and uh it was it was pathetic it soon the paper money soon died in the
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hands of the possessors so an agreement was reached by the Philadelphia
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Convention and that agreement manifests itself in the United States Constitution
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you have an Article 1 Section 8 Clause 5 here's the framework that was created
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well the states were going to declare legal tender but it was going to be gold
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and silver coin Congress was given because they wanted one source for the whole country
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to make the coin Congress was given the power in Article 1 Section 8 Clause 5 to coin money and regulate the value
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thereof now the states were by means of Article 1 Section 10 Clause 1 see it
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says here no State shall dot dot dot coin money emit bills of credit make
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anything but gold and silver coin or and payable to debts now once the Constitution went
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into effect you know George Washington made a
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statement that there was a tremendous benefit from the ratification of United States Constitution whereas before that
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point in time they had a paper monetary system and it had depressed the depressed the Commerce in this country
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as a result of them instituting that constitutional monetary system we had an economic Bloom the
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country uh revived itself Commerce for flourished now there you can go through
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this period of time and look at what the courts were having to say about these
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monetary Provisions that were set forth in the United States Constitution and you know one of my favorites that I like
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is from the United States Supreme Court and to me you know while there
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a uh 50 maybe cases that deal with gold and silver back during this period of time to me my person opinion is that
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this case United States against marold an 1850 case really demonstrates well the purpose intent and meaning of the
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provisions of the Constitution that I just mentioned now this was a counterfeiting case and the defendant in
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this case with making some argument about Congress can't make some you know counterfeiting laws even though there
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are Provisions the United States Constitution that authorize Congress to
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make laws regarding counterfeiting but here the United States Supreme Court is
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explaining in concrete terms what the United States Constitution means in
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reference to the monetary powers and disabilities contained in it the court said they appertain rather to the
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execution of an important trust invested by the Constitution and to the
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obligation to fulfill that trust on the part of the government namely the trust
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and duty of creating and maintaining a uniform and pure metallic standard of value throughout the union the power of
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coining money and regulating its value was delegated to Congress by the Constitution for the very purpose as
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assigned by the framers of that instrument of creating and preserving the uniformity and purity of such
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standard of value is that pretty clear but then let's go on there's another
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real important quote from the Supreme Court case this wasn't dealing with
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counterfeiting if the medium which the government government was authorized to create and establish could immediately
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be expelled and substituted by one it had neither created estimated nor
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authorized one possessing no intrinsic value the power conferred by the
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Constitution would be useless wholly fruitless of every end that was designed to accomplish whatever Cong whatever
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functions Congress are by the Constitution authorized to perform they are when the public good requires it
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bound to perform and on this principle having emitted a circulating medium of standard of value indispensable for the
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purposes of the community and for the actions of the government itself they are accordingly authorized and bound in
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duty to prevent its debasement and expulsion and the destruction of the general competence and convenience by
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the influx and substitution of a spirous coin in lie of the Constitutional
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currency whoa now aren't those powerful words you know here you have right
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before the Civil War United States Supreme Court coming out say whoa you know here's you know we got to have gold
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and silver coin as our medium exchange that's what's authorized by the United States Constitution and Congress has a
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duty to prevent its debasement and expulsion well let's let's move ahead of
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time real quickly now we uh get into the Civil War and here is another real
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important case in reference to the monetary Provisions little understood
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you know this been one of my favorites for years it's posted over on my website but you know there's not a whole lot of
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people that make arguments about monetary you know change in our monetary system that rely upon this case but this
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one dealt with the validity of Confederate
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Currency Confederate Currency now Confederate Currency circulated I've got a I got one framed
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in my office you can look at it it promised to pay there was
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a Confederate Currency said we will pay you know act number of dollars if you
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had a $50 go p a $50 note we'll pay $50 after the ratification of a treaty of
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peace between the United States and confederal States of America so there was a
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condition the confederate government government was going to pay after the war was over money so that the the note
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the Confederate note was a promise to pay and it did have a conditional
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promise to pay and so that's what the United States Supreme Court is taking up in this case involving confeder
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curcy may I suggest to you as we go through what I have quoted here you make
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a comparison with Federal Reserve notes as contracts in themselves they're
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talking about Confederate notes except in the contingency of successful
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revolutions these notes were nullities for except in that event there
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could be no payer they bore indeed this character upon their face for they were made payable only after the ratification
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of a treaty of peace between the Confederate States and the United States of America while the War lasted however
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they had a certain contingent value and were used as money in nearly all the business transactions of many millions
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of people they must be regarded therefore as a currency imposed on the
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community by irresistible
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Force considered in themselves in the light of subsequent events these notes
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had had no real value but they were made current as
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dollars by irresist able Force they were the only measure of
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values with the people had and their use was a matter of almost absolute necessity and this use gave them a sort
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of value insignificant and PR precarious enough it is true but always having a
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sufficient definite relation to gold and silver the universal measure of value so
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that it was always easy to ascertain how much gold and silver was the real equivalent of sub expressed in this
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currency now did I I want to ask this question you know y'all probably have
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never seen these quotes from this case but can you not substitute Federal
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Reserve Note in here for confeder Cy it didn't aren't Federal Reserve
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notes imposed on us be resistable
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Force now I want to give you a little quick summary you know this is this is
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Larry beatcraft on frac Reserve banking real quick you know what we have here
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looking at this is you know this is what fractal Reserve there's a ancient history going back into you know back
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the bank of Amsterdam let's start off there in the early 1700s you know what
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it was quickly learned by Bankers that they could have a reserve of say like
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10,000 pounds if you you know if you're in England 10,000 PBS of coin and then
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you could issue all these out standing notes on it and you could get the community to use your notes as a medium
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of exchange and they learned that whoa 10,000 pounds of gold and silver coin
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could probably support an outstanding issue of notes equal to
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100,000 the guys were making money that's what fra Reserve banking is all about you understand that most of you
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here have probably a pretty good conception of what fra Reserve banking is
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now let's let's use an analysis let's look at this from a theoretical situation about what's going on and this
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is real important because I don't find a whole lot of Americans that understand
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what you see in every you know there are certain things if you're aware of
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certain principles in just as you go through life you know most people if
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you're not aware of something certain events cannot be explained okay but once you learn a
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certain principle then you can make sense out of even current events that
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you see and here is one that I think that is real important you know why here the the
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bomb Administration comes into office well let's go back back to the Bush Administration let's even go back to the
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to the Clinton Administration you know you can see it developing federal budget
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deficits you know you can go back during the Clinton Clinton years you they were in the billions you know we got to have
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a budget deficit you know they say they had a balance budget during that period of time which is a bunch of malarkey but you know by the time we get
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up here into into the recent past just last year we're now we're talking about we have to have a budget deficit at the
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federal level of trillions in credit why why does that happen most
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people do not understand that is a matter of Economics necessity because of
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the monetary system syst that we have that we must have tremendous budget deficits until we
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until we change it now let's imagine this situation you know this some guy
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there are five guys on an island and they want to play cards you know they've been Shipwrecked one guy had a deck of
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cards that survived the crash you know they wash up on shore and now they're living on this desert island they you
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know they've gotten to the point where they're basic needs are are taken care of they can fish you know they built a
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little tree houses and stuff like that and you know so now they're you know it's no longer pressing that their needs
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of their survival now they want to entertain themselves well there's one
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guy that had a deck of cards and so four guys approach him and say well hey we
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want to we want to play cards you know we haven't entertained ourselves in a long time and you have a deck of cards
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and we want to we want to play a game so the the card owner he has how many
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cards 52 now he's going to you know if there
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four guys wanting to play you know some card game you know the the card owner is
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going to loan out to each one 13 cards but he's going to take a note back
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from them oh you got to I want you to sign here you know you're going to have to promise to repay those 13 cards that
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are loan to you and also want one additional card in the way of entance and to ensure that I get repaid you know
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I want you to give me a mortgage on your treehouse you know it's it's nice I'll consider that real good
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collateral and so each of the card players agrees and so here's the problem that is
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created by in this type of a a scam if you will there are only 52 cards
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available each card owner gets 13 cards but what does the aggregate
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liability of all the card owners each card player owes one
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additional card and so when you tally up the
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economic thing that's going on here this situation you have only 52 cards in
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circulation but since they've been loaned into circulation you have aggregate liabilities of what 56 cards
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now how in the world can you discharge a liab ility of 56 cards with only 52 in
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circulation is
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possible now let's translate what's going on there economically that that illustration I
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just gave to you about the card players on an island may I suggest to you is the
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same operation that is going on today all of our medium of Exchange
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Bank liabilities credit if you will we have the same thing going
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on and now I'm in this illustration that you see up here on my PowerPoint presentation I've just substituted
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Industries for card players you know here you have we have a central bank he's the card owner he has 4 million
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bucks that he's ready to loan out and we got four players we got the automotive industry we got the agricultural
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industry we got the medical industry we got construction industry they all need credit money and so the central bank
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with its 4 million bucks in credit Available Loans to the automotive industry 1 million agricultural gets a
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million medical gets a million construction gets a million but the central bank is charging
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10% interest so at the end of a year you know the automotive industry is going to
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owe 1.1 million so is agriculture medical and construction so what you you
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have here to to make a direct comparison what you have here is the same thing
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that you saw with the card example we have in circulation 4 million in credit but the
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outstanding liabilities the debt down there is 4.1 million how in the world do
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you pay when you owe 4.4 million how do you pay it with only 4
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million in circulation
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now this is my example of how the reason why we have budget
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deficits in that last example you saw that there was this uh difference the
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economy needed in order just to maintain itself it needed the injection
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of4 million bucks into the economy just so that you can have a stable currency Supply so who play plays that role in
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this economy when you borrow your money into circulation you borrow your credit
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well Uncle Sam is playing that role and this illustrates it here in this situation you know we have the only
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thing I've added you go back to that previous example you still had the Central Bank loading 4 million bucks into circulation Automotive agriculture
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medical and construction they eacho since they b a million bucks each from the central bank they owe you
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know ,000 more what the with the the circulation is only 4 million but we
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have a datb of Point 4.4 million the liabilities exceed the Bucks in circulation so what the government does
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is it borrows 8 million injects that into
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circulation so government borrowing stabilizes the economy the
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money that is needed for the interest that the economy Acres year is injected into the economy by
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government deficits this is this this is kind of
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this is you know just a rough example this is historically what has happened in this country you know the the green
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you know this is the little chart that Larry MRA made you know the bank money is in green and the government money is
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in blue you start off at year one you know let's say that that's what's going on you know uh government money is the
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great bulk of the currency and circulation in the economy and bank money is you know
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40% but there has always been a war going on you may not see it but it's
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been there a silent War carried out over the over the decades over the
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centuries and the banking industry the financial industry with its paper has
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always been at war with gold and silver coin and so just you know you know as
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time goes by this is what's happened in you know this is a principle that you can see when you study the economic
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history of the United States you know the financial industry has been very
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Adept at forcing gold and silver or government money out of circulation that's happened
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ladies and gentlemen and you know you know right now I've read a report back
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in uh maybe 10 or 20 30 years ago I picked up a report from some Library it
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was talking about the i banks in Iowa during the Great Depression and the
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banks that survived and the banks that failed Now using fra Reserve banking
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principles you know a bank has got to keep a certain amount of M money in reserve to pay people that come in
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through the door and want to swap their credit for you know real pieces of paper did you know that the banks that
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survived the Great Depression in Iowa had a reserve requirement of more than
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2% just a little bit above 2% and the banks that failed in Iowa during the
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Great Depression you know as a practical matter had a reserve of less than 2% wow
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that means the bank you know back in those days if they had $2 you know on
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deposit you know in their vaults they could issue outstanding Credit in the amount of $100
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now today is a practical matter you know they're getting everybody in the world you know one of the things that you I walk into I don't use credit cards and I
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get real irritated when I walk into a quick stop now here that you know I get my coffee or something to drink in the
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morning and the the guy in front of me is buying $5 worth of candy or whatever
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and guess what he's using credit card wow and so the credit credit
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industry has really made the American people depend upon it you know oh it's easy well let me just tell you ladies
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and gentlemen that ease is the vehicle by which they
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acquire economic power over
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us let's look at the math of the situation how things change over time
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now this is this is just Larry be Craft's representation you know this parallels real real life you know the
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central banks and let's look at our an economy the central bank loans 10 million bucks into the economy at 10%
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annual interest and 10% annual principal payments you know just to keep it simp
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simplistic well at the end of the year you know going back to a previous example at the end of the year one based
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upon you know the the central bank loan and credit and circulation and then the various Industries have to repay
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interest you know at the at the end of the year one you know the econom has to pay when there's uh let's see what am I
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saying here 10 million bucks in circulation it's got to pay a million bucks in
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principal and a million bucks in interest leaving 8 million bucks in
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circulation but a total debt of 9 million at the end of year two you using
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that previous example you know the economy is going to pay 900 bucks $900,000
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bucks in interest 900,000 bucks in principal leaving only
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6.2 million bucks in circulation but a total debt of 8.1 billion million at the
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end of year three the economy has to pay 810,000 bucks in interest 810,000 bucks
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in principal leaving only 4.5 million bucks in circulation but a total debt of 7.29
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million at the end of year four the econom is paying 729 th000 bucks in
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interest and 729 in principal leaving 3.12 mlion ion bucks in circulation but
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a total debt of more than 6.5 million year five the academy pays 656 th000
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bucks in interest and the same amount in principle leaving only 1.8 million bucks in circulation but a total debt of 5.7
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million can you see what's going on here you if you have a if you loan the medium
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of exchange into into circulation and the users that got to pay got to pay principal and interest
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you're sucking down from the money in circulation you know a whole a bunch every
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year and that has an economic effect when you're Contracting the currency Supply just because you're loaning the
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credit into circulation and so what you have here you know I kind of summarize it
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all to maintain a current Supply a stable currency supply for these years that we just
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mentioned the government must borrow in year one 2 million
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year 2 1.8 million year 3 1.6 million year 4 1.4 million year 5 1.3 million
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and you add it all up you know just to maintain a stable currency Supply the
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government's got to borrow 8.1 million
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bucks and ladies and gentlemen that's what we have in the way of a monetary
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system that is operating here in the United States you know a lot of people are talking about we're getting ready to
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go into hyperinflation you know this is just a another illustration on my part
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about what happens during hyperinflation you know you know that in order for us
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to obtain currency for circulation you got to approach a credit Creator a money
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Creator and give them a promisory note they're going to expand your bank account you're going to give them a
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mortgage when you get into hyperinflation it's just right around the corner uh you
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know this is just an illustration to show you you know if you start off in month one with you know maybe that's the
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the approximate amount of mortgage property in the economy you know 60% and 40% is unmortgage you know you can
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within five months after hyperinflation you know the banks are going to be mortgaging property right and left and
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you may have within a span of only five months only 5% of the property in the country remains
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unmortgage that's what's going to happen during hyperinflation
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here's just an example you know there's a lot of people don't understand you know what happened during the Roaring 20s you know how we got into the Great
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Depression back in those days this kind of tells you what the monetary manipulators
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do let's say you have who are my examples here I'm using Rocky and
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Morgan two fictitious characters that probably have a direct relationship to
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real life characters I'm calling them Rocky and Morgan how did these guys manipulate the stock market you know
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what what is a real simple way to manipulate and make money well here was
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a typical way say like say it was 1927 1928 what are these guys doing you know
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they they've got Limitless credit they can go to the banks that
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they own hey you know expand my you know checking account and let me make money
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sure thing of course they control the bank but let's say that they they're they're going to pick a Target
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um the ABC widget manufacturers issued some outstanding
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stock and these guys are going to make money by manipulating the price of the
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stock so they target ABC widgets which has a million shares outstanding with a
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value of one Bucks du is my is my terminology it it means uh something
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like a Federal Reserve Note but what they the two Rocky and Morgan get into
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an agreement they're going to pull a million bucks and what they're going to do is they're going to bid up the price
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of ABC widget stocks to make profits that they're going to share so week one
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this is what happens oh Rocky goes out and he buys 100,000 shares he pays a
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little bit more he pays uh 1.5 bucks for each stock and look it cost him 150,000
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bucks and this is the complete investment in this Venture week two now
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you know Rocky bought now Morgan's going to buy the following week Morgan buys from Rocky his buddy the
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$100,000 100,000 shares but now he's going to pay two bucks per share the
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cost is 200 200,000 bucks week three oh Rocky comes back and
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he buys one Morgan the same shares $100,000 he pays five bucks cost
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$500,000 but after selling back and forth between themselves for several
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months they have bit up the price of widgets the widget shares to 10 bucks a
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share can you can can you see how that that was done you take two guys pick a
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stock out manipulate back and forth wow you know wall Street's wow look at this
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Rising stock and so they caused the stock to rise again causing it to rised to 10
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bucks a share and at that time that you know since they've been selling back and forth the same shares you know they have
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100,000 shares with the market value now that through their act activities they've raised the the value of the
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market shares to 1 million bucks and then then they unload and when they unload they get a
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return of 1 million bucks with an investment of only 150,000 bucks but
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then you got to also remember at the time that they sold their shares they also shorted
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does that make sense and ladies and gentlemen that's how you know not only the people that
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we're talking about that have their their financial interests are detrimentally diametrically different
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from ours you know this is one way that they have acquired money but then again you know they've acquired the we to
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through the operations of monetary system but now let's move on to a
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different topic you had Larry Larry bcra Short view of some economic lessons now
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let's move on to something that's real important you know when the United States Constitution was uh ratified in
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1789 you know before the that time the Congress and the under the Articles of
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Confederation didn't have any jurisdiction you know it got all of its receipts by asking the states hey send
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us some money so we can pay our bills that's the way the Articles Congress
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operated they also didn't have that the Articles
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Congress didn't have any jurisdiction and one of the things that had happened during the Revolutionary
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War you know the Articles of Confederation congress met in Philadelphia and uh the soldiers hadn't
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been paid so a bunch of Grouchy o soldiers that hadn't been paid went to
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Philadelphia and shook their shook their fists at Congress and hey that was kind
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of revolutionary for those days you know you have soldiers you know threatening uh Congress by shaking their
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fists and so that experience among others was one of the reasons why the United States Constitution the Congress
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was given a jurisdiction and here's what they agreed you in Article 1 Section 8 17 of the
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United States Constitution the federal government was given exclusive
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jurisdiction over such District not exceeding 10 m Square what is that
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is that Washington DC right has made by session of particular states in the acceptance of of Congress become the
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seat of government of the United States well that happened you know you go to you go to Washington DC and you know the
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land in uh in the northern part of DC was at one time in the jurisdiction of
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Maryland across the river that land over there was in the jurisdiction of Virginia
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and you know I'm not going to show you here but you know you can go back to these original acts from Maryland and
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Virginia they they seated jurisdiction you know for that 10 square miles they seated it to Washington
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DC so Congress has exclusive jurisdiction Washington DC but then it
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also has exclusive jurisdiction over like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the
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state in which the same shall be for the erection of forts magazines dockyards
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and other needful buildings now that's a provision in the United States Constitution that I think is real
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important now now can I see a show of hands of how many people here have at least some study that relates to you
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know this jurisdiction issue okay well a lot of people do well I'm going to show
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you as I said said a few minutes ago I'm going to show you some things that I think are real important and I'm just
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going to show you some stuff in this PowerPoint presentation pages from the United States statutes at large and we're going
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to look at it and I got 130 pages 130 pages out of hundreds you I
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just picked some and I want some feedback for my
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audience I want your opinion as to what these things that Congress has written
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in certain laws what it means can we do that are y'all are y'all receptive to that idea ready okay you're ready okay
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you hear that John they're ready I say your Nam is when you say something so we get on
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camera you don't know who to prosecute now this is a page now here here's what I've done ladies and gentlemen back here
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in the back of the room you know years ago 10 years ago I sat down and I strung
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together the pages out of the United States statutes the large and then made them you know I ran a tax conversion and
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so for the first time you know that that you could have the entire United States statutes of large and searchable taxes
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when I produced it and back there Steve is making available you know the statutes at large
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which are the acts of Congress from 1789 forward they're published you know the
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bills of Congress that get you know adopted by Congress and signed by the president or you know a presidential
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override of veto all that stuff gets put published in the statutes at large that
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is the original Law and that original law was published in a set of books called the United
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States statutes at large and right now we're up to volume
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125 and uh Steve has the stuff that I've done you know all these volumes of the
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United States statutes at large available back there if you would if you're interested in this uh uh issue if
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you want to study you know available back there and what I've done over the years ever since I got the United States
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statutes of large organized so that you could engag in word searches you know I sit down I'm just a curious guy I sit
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out during the evening you know after I've come come home from work and I'll sit there with my laptop and you know do
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these searches and as I do these searches I find things that I kind of think are real
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important you I've done searches through the United States statutes at large and I a catalog all these little interesting
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Pages out of statutes at large that kind of teach there's a teaching lesson in the page you know what does something
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mean and I just kind of collect those in these little folders you can do citizen
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you can do these word searches and go through the United States for citizen you know that's a real interesting study
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you know a lot of times when you're uh sitting down and reading some law there are phrases that crop up and you can
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have a debate well what does this thing mean you know there there are people people that in this Freedom Movement that'll sit there and you can have
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Arguments for hours for days and you can hear a multitude of
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conflicting sentence uh opinions just based on you everybody's got an opinion about who's a
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citizen haven't y'all encountered that I mean a wide variety of opinions well
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personally I am tired of personal opinions to me you know I have a lot of
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whole personal opinions and maybe you'll agree with some of my personal opinions but to me the proof of the pudding is
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you know proving your opinion you showing
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something you know having a personal opinion about you know whether the moon is made out of green
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cheese uh can be disproven by sending a rocket
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up there a a Space Capsule to bring back something other than green cheese from the Moon well similarly you know you can
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prove what something means and I'm getting ready to show you some stuff about what jurisdiction means and my
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proof consists of you know law law is not like medicine you know the field of
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Investigation study and medicine is a real live organism human
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beings dogs cats cows horses you know that's the field of study for medicine
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well that's real complicated astronomy you know the field of study
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for astronomy is you sit there and look at you know through a telescope or you send the Hubble into outer space and
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take pictures and you we got all these satellite you're looking at the D
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dynamics of the universe well when you're dealing with law it isn't it isn't a live
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organism it isn't outer space and the things you see up there your entire
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universe when you get down to law is stuck that's in black and
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white and thanks to modern technology with computers today you can put on a
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corner I didn't bring down a hard drive but you you let's say you got a terabyte hard drive you can put all of the United
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States statutes large into a small corner of hard
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drive and then you can take you know and then another small corner you got your tax acttion and regul ations you
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know I've made a an effort for serious students of you know freedom in this
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movement you know you you can now have available the entire United States statutes and larts and do some
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study and the point that I want to make with you this afternoon is is that you you yourself can sit down and do some of
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this study and educate yourself and I'm just going to take one point
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jurisdiction and and I'm going to roll through these examples and I want to see what conclusions you reach and be
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mindful that we got 130 pages John I mention where they can be found online
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yeah oh yes yes well they were first posted you know John stand up and John is an Austin
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guy and he's a good friend of mine and he has a website called constitution.org
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which you know is there not a whole lot of websites that actually are you you
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can weigh them but John's website you can you know it actually you know even
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the electron there are so many electrons it has actual weight John you
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got physical volumes you know John tries to collect everything that relates to
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anything of importance historically and posts them and years ago I sent him my
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United States sessions large that are searchable and posted on John's website so John John is just one of
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those guys that if he runs across a historical work that's real important boom he's sticking up a PDF image of it
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you call me a constitutional p r okay right right okay now I can't tell you you know
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I would have to go back and look at the file to see where this page is but this is the page out the United States statutes L now remember you know I
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started off years ago I converted jpegs to PDFs to study but then to for this
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computer presentation I had to convert the the PDFs back to jpegs am I right Mr
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farmer from from Athens you know if you're going to use a PowerPoint presentation do you not have to use
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jpegs you can put it in some kind of picture for okay answer my
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question whatever well what I what I've done is I you know I went back and I
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converted these to jpegs and so you know some of these images that you're getting rid of you see you know I've had to you
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know I'm just a blooming lawyer and you know I've had to you know I'm not the expert in the world so some of these images may look a little odd but here's
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one image look at that phrase It's the sovereignty and jurisdiction of this state and I oh it's Tennessee oh oh look
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up here Tennessee and the big pigeon the French Broad okay now I know we're
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dealing with something close to Knoxville okay and this law dealing with
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something close to Knoxville and I know that because it's talking about the French Broad which is one part of the Tennessee River you know this one you
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get two two streams come together the French Broad and form the Tennessee River right there at Knoxville but this
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act says something about that area that the sovereignty and jurisdiction of this state obviously talking about Tennessee
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in and over the territory AFF foret and all of every of the habitants thereof shall be and remain the same in all
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respects until Congress of the United States shall accept the session to be made by virtue of this act as if this
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act had never passed now now those words I think this probably had some relationship look back at the some pages
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there it relates to a fort there in Knoxville and look at it you know here
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here you got a fort uh and what's Congress saying the Tennessee has the sovereignty
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and jurisdiction over that place until Tennessee comes along and seege
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jurisdiction here we got this is in 1796 I can guarantee this is out of volume two the United States statute large or
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volume one excuse me statutes at large and this is Page 452 and look at this is
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a an act authorizing the creation of a lighthouse on Baker's island in the state of
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Massachusetts and I've highlighted down here you know this language as soon as a
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session of jurisdiction to the United States over the land proper for the purposes made by
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the said state so what they're talking about here is they're obviously going build a lighthouse on Baker's Island in
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Massachusetts and Congress wants the state to seed jurisdiction over the
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lighthouse to Uncle Sam now this is this is the operation of Article 1 section8
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Clause 17 that I showed you a minute ago oh here's here's another one dealing
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with oh this is a marus Vineyard a lighthouse at gay head now look at the
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language that Congress is using here can you see back there is that a little too small or can you read
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it you can't okay yeah I'm I know that
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feel look at the language as the jurisdiction of such lands at Gad on the western part of Martha's Vineyard in the
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state of Massachusetts shall have been seated to the United States you know down here in paragraph in section two a
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new inet on Cape Fear River in the state of North Carolina shall have been seated to the United States you and and looked
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at the bottom highlighted yell until the lands whereon the same shall have been
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erected together with the jurisdiction there El shall have been seeded to the United States so in Article 1 Section 8
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CL 17 the United States Constitution is talking about how the states will seed jurisdiction over forts magazines
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Arsenal dockyards and other needful buildings and now you're seeing how that
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happens from a federal level you know here Congress is coming along for a lighthouse that's straight
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out of the United States Constitution and they're W to build a lighthous here on this one on on
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Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts so Congress is saying hey we'll make some
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improvements we stick this Lighthouse there once the state comes along and
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seeds jurisdiction of the property to the United
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States here's another one oh Long Island Long Island
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Sound talking about how you know this is another Lighthouse the legislator of
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Rhode Island and New York shall seed jurisdiction of the same over to the United States so what we don't have here
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I'm not includ you know this is the act where Congress is saying hey we'll build a lighthouse here if the state seeds
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jurisdiction and you know if you go back in the same period of time you're going to see an act of the legislature of of
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Rhode Island and New York they'll come along and say oh okay yeah we're going to see jurisdiction over the White House property to Uncle
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s but this is real important let me ask you this you know looking at what jurisdiction you know just thinking
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about this what jurisdiction did Uncle Sam have prior to
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the state seating jurisdiction for this lighthouse on on uh Long Island no n
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really I'm Sam head you're telling me none square miles at
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there Mr Green what's your opinion I say n okay so we got a lawyer back here
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say here we got this is in 1829 uh the state of South
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Carolina shall convey all the rights titles all the right and title of the
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United States anti said so land so says and from a from and after the execution
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of said conveyance the jurisdiction United States over the soil so conveyed being the same as hereby hereby
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retroceded to the state of South Carolina so here you have in this specific situation you know South
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Carolina had transferred Uncle Sam you know jurisdiction over some land and lo
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and behold now apparently for some reason Uncle Sam doesn't want the property or maybe you maybe they were on
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the wrong spot you know they needed be another spot down the coast and oops we made a mistake we don't want that spot
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you maybe that was happening but here they're transferring jurisdiction back to the state so when that happens when the
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jurisdiction is being reconveyed back to the state after that transfer of jurisdiction what what jurisdiction does
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Z
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have now here we are in 1834 state of New York shall retain its
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present jurisdiction of and over bed's and Ellis's
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islands and shall retain excl what exclusive jurisdiction of and and over
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the other Islands lying in the waters above mentioned and now under the jurisdiction of that state well let's
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see I I'd have to go back and read this uh this is something in who knows some of those islands in
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the middle of the Hudson river near New York City and it is Congress acknowledging
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that the state of New York had exclusive jurisdiction over those islands is that what it
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says article third down there the state of New York shall have and enjoy exclus jurisdiction of and over all the waters
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in the Bay of New York article fourth the state of New
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York shall have exclusive jurisdiction of and over the Waters of kill van Co
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between Staten Island and New Jersey on the western most end of Shooters Island article 5th state in New Jersey
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shall have an enjoy exclusive jurisdiction of and over the land the Waters of the sound between Staten
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Island and New Jersey lying south of Woodbridge Creek uh down there number
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two the state of New York shall have exclusive jurisdiction out and over the wars well now wherever Congress is
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saying exclusive jurisdiction New York New Jersey I want to ask you this what's
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your opinion number three the state of New York shall have the exclusive right of regulating the fish between the
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shores of Staten ID and the middle of the said Waters would Uncle Sam have any
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jurisdiction any should can I see does who agrees who
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thinks Uncle Sam would have some type of jurisdiction oh John she
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figures on a few subjects okay all right uh can't see the page number here
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but this is an act regarding the Northern boundary of the state of Ohio oh when they're admitting Michigan
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into the union and look down here in the bottom part of this uh image provided as
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always upon the admission uh this admission is upon the express condition that said State shall consist of and
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have jurisdiction over all ter territory included with in the following
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boundaries so here you have Congress creating State
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and it's saying it had that state shall have jurisdiction over all the territory that you know this later described that
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you can't see moving on to another act here you
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got on SE in September of 1841 uh that it should be the duty of
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secretaries of the executive department respectively under whose Direction any lands for the person purposes afer said
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may have been purchased and over which the United States why
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not do not possess jurisdiction oh so Kyra said is
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recognizing that it can own some land in a state but it does not possess
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jurisdiction oh but then you can apply to the legislation of the states in which the lands are situated for a what
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session of jurisdiction ladies and gentlemen I'm getting these I'm getting these ideas
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you know I didn't make stuff up I'm just using the words of Congress okay here we are
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1846 oh this is interesting right I recognize this one here you're talking
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about look Alexandria where's Alexandria so on the south side of the
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pomac is one of the cities in the District of Columbia all the way up to
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1846 so this has something to do we all know that Alexandria is no longer in the
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district of Colombia you had that 10 square miles and at some stage in the past you know the Parton Virginia was
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retroceded back to Virginia you know Congress decided well
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we're only we're going to only have Washington DC in the Maryland part of the session so this has a direct
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relationship to this and I think this is real important look at the language of Congress right here all of that portion of the District of Columbia is seeded to
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the United States by the state of Virginia and all of the rights and jurisdiction therewi seated over the
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same be and the same are hereby seated and what John what's that word what's
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that phrase forever relinquished to the state of Virginia in
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in full and absolute right and jurisdiction as well of soil as a
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person's residing or to reside there on
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so Congress gives back its jurisdiction to Virginia over Alexandria and look is
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is this a a it looks like to me it's saying after the session of Alexandria
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back to Virginia Uncle Sam retains how much
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jurisdiction uh the second section three that the jurisdiction and laws now existing in the city territory seated to
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the United States by the state of Virginia as AF said over the persons in property of individuals therein residing
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shall not cease or to determined until the state of Virginia shall Hereafter provide by law for the extension of her
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jurisdiction and judicial system over the said territory here hereby
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receded so once Virginia comes along and accepts that
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retrocession at that stage how much jurisdiction does unle Sam
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have twice oh here's a proclamation um again oh this has a
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direct relationship to the retrocession of Alexandria back to Virginia this is a
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proclamation of the president look at that part in yellow all that portion of the District of Columbia seed to the United States by the state of Virginia
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and all the rights and jurisdiction there seated over the same shall be seated and forever relinquished to the
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state of Virginia in full and absolute right and jurisdiction as well as of soil as of person residing or to reside
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there on now apparently by this time you know Virginia said oh okay we're going to take take it back so the president is
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coming along and issuing a a proclamation oh that
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happened here in 1854 uh Southwest pass of the
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Mississippi so it's along the coast uh and the jurisdiction United States overs said land shall thereafter cease
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and shall revert to the state of Louisiana you know after valid titles
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and States jurisdiction have been obtained to the site so here you have oh
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it looks like it's along Vermillion Bay in Louisiana you can see that in section six so Vermillion Bay had a lighthouse
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there at one time and this is uh Uncle Sam coming back and and and acknowledging that the
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jurisdiction over that land is is here is hereby ceasing and the jurisdiction
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is reverting back to the state of
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Louisiana oh this is uh Massachusetts you hear Congress is
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saying it seed the sovereignty and jurisdiction over the port of it of the portion of its territory known as the
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District of Boston corner now if you were in Boston you know the I think before the this time you know there
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Boston was a really important point and Uncle Sam he was making ships there and stuff like that and you know it had a
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part of the land you know that was called Boston corner it's seating it back it's seating the sovereignty and
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jurisdiction back to to Massachusetts I brother year this here
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this is talking about the state of Louisiana shall pass the law of seeding jurisdiction over the site of such Warehouse to the United States this is
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obviously having some Rel ship to oh this is the quarantine station on the Mississippi River below New Orleans
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right you know there oh Uncle Sam's appropriating 50,000 bucks dollars to
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build the quarantine station and you know but it's not going to happen until the state of Louisiana
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seeds jurisdiction over the site to the United States uh the next paragraph something
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happening in Duke Iowa uh the legislature of the iow state of Iowa will will at at a session pass
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an act seeding exclusive jurisdiction over the site to the United States and forever exempting the property from all
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taxation so all you can look up there at the first paragraph they want to complete a customs house of post office
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Etc and debut you know they're going to spend $220,000 and so they want the state of
1:00:15
Iowa for this property that's going to be the custom house and post office they want the state of Iowa to seed to the
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United States exclusive jurisdiction is that what it
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says well before that happened is is this an acknowledgement that a AA had
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exclusive jurisdiction of the property to begin
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with oh here we are in 1871 oh this is a national Asylum for
1:00:48
disabled volunteer soldiers let's see if we can see the place oh someplace in
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Ohio but apparently you know Uncle Sam had bought the national Asylum for
1:01:03
disabled volunteer soldiers and now it is hereby receding
1:01:08
to the state of Ohio jurisdiction that is is relinquished by the United States and the United States shall claim or
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exercise Steve over set place after the passage
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of this act
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okay this is in 1872 uh this is talking about something oh United States courts customs house
1:01:36
depository post office internal revenue and pensions offices are going to be built it doesn't I can't see oh in
1:01:42
Cincinnati look at that the top paragraph something's going to go happen in in in Cincinnati and they're going to
1:01:48
spend some bucks there to to build the United States courthouse but they're wanting the state
1:01:54
of Ohio shall SE its jurisdiction over the same to the United States and shall duly release in langage to the United
1:02:00
States the right to tax in any way and in the next one there in Albany Albany
1:02:06
New York state capital of New York uh looks like they're going to be building
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a customs house a post office uh district courts and they're wanting uh they they
1:02:17
want b a time to the state thereafter shall be vested in the United States and until the state of New York shall seed
1:02:24
its jurisdiction over the same so Congress is getting ready to build cour houses Customs houses you know building
1:02:30
in Aly and it's asking the state of the you know it's going to spend so much money there oh it says 50 oh W
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$350,000 so back in those say hey that was a big building 350,000 wo it's a big
1:02:44
building you know you know the the uh you go to Washington
1:02:50
DC and uh the Library of Congress is one of the most ornate buildings you can
1:02:56
imagine built back at the turn of the century or the last century early
1:03:02
1900s go into that building it it is a beautiful place really
1:03:09
ornate and it cost to construct it you know just several millions of dollars
1:03:15
back when real money was real but you know today you know well I'm talking
1:03:21
about a couple of years ago it takes 200 million bucks per year to operate the
1:03:27
Library of Congress J what a
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difference well here here in Albany they're going to you know they're wanting the state of
1:03:40
New York to seed its jurisdiction D Sam in order to do the
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building and this here's 1872 the this has a relationship to Something in
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Michigan Port hon in Michigan they're going to build something there and
1:03:58
Congress wants valid title to the land she'll be vested the United States and it wants the state of Michigan she'll
1:04:03
see this jurisdiction over the same to for that property uh here in
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1873 down there in yala uh this is Old Covington Kentucky
1:04:14
right across the river from Cincinnati uh looks like they're going to construct a suitable brick building
1:04:21
with a fireproof big RW uh and their Uncle Sam wants valid title to the
1:04:27
land and uh you know shall be vested in the United States nor until the state of
1:04:33
Kentucky shall seed its jurisdiction over the same now is that an acknowledgement you know here Congress
1:04:38
is saying oh well for this building we're going to build in Covington to Kentucky that it wants Kentucky to
1:04:47
transfer jurisdiction of that property to the United States is that what's going
1:04:53
on oh Anapolis okay here's here's the Naval
1:05:00
Academy they're going to expand the Naval Academy a real beautiful place uh for the purpose of extending
1:05:06
the area and creating additional convenience for quarters $45,000 but no money shall be paid for
1:05:13
said land until the state of Maryland has seated jurisdiction over the same to
1:05:19
the United States
1:05:25
uh Kansas this is in 1873 until a valid title to the site of
1:05:31
of said building shall be vested in the United States and until the state of Missouri shall seeed to the United
1:05:36
States exclusive jurisdiction over the same this is relationship this is in in
1:05:42
uh Kansas City oh it's for up post office and custom house bed Warehouse
1:05:48
Internal Revenue offices and other government offices in the city of Kansas in the state of Missouri
1:05:54
and they're talking about Missouri's got us in order for them to build all that oh it's
1:06:01
$200,000 but before they're going to spend the $200,000 to build those facilities Congress wants the state of
1:06:07
Missouri to seed ex exclusive
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jurisdiction well before that time if if if Missouri had exclusive
1:06:23
jurisdiction what was the jurisdiction of the United States before that I'm just asking questions they're
1:06:31
exclusive yeah well Danville Dan Danville Virginia is real close to uh
1:06:38
the where the place where they end the Civil War end it atax
1:06:44
Courthouse southern part of Virginia and uh let's see they're going
1:06:50
to build oh $70,000 to build district courts of the United States and post
1:06:55
office you know Uncle Sam's going to build uh for 70,000 bucks you know some buildings there and want the state of
1:07:02
Virginia shall seed to the general government jurisdiction over the
1:07:09
property oh mcgomery Alabama my state let's see oh okay this is the same thing
1:07:15
going on they want courts of the United States Post Office land office you know they're going to spend uh oh 125,000
1:07:22
bucks to BU build offices there in Montgomery and Uncle Sam was the state of Alabama shall seeded to the United
1:07:29
States exclusive jurisdiction over the same during the time the United States shall be and remain the owner
1:07:37
thereof um also in well this is 1872 that Congress wants the state of
1:07:42
Minnesota to seed to the United States exclusive jurisdiction over the same uh looking at second act on that page that
1:07:49
chapter 76 has a relationship to a public building in Columbus Ohio Ohio and Congress wants the state of Ohio to
1:07:56
seed to the United States exclusive jurisdiction over the
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same uh also in 1882 uh this something in in always more
1:08:08
Customs houses in Quincy Illinois Congress wants the state of Illinois to seed to the United States
1:08:15
exclusive jurisdiction over that property uh the second act that we have how here also this is in Poria Illinois
1:08:23
and looks like they're going to be building a United States courts and customs house EMB boded Warehouse there
1:08:28
uh for $225,000 and Congress wants the state of Illinois to seed her jurisdiction over
1:08:35
the same Don Sam uh also in 1882 this is relating to
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I can't see the city uh but it's obviously in Tennessee Uncle Sam is wantan to the state of
1:08:49
Tennessee to seed to the United States exclusive jurisdiction over some
1:08:56
land uh here I oh this is wel oh
1:09:04
1882 the top one the state of Missouri sub seed to the United States exclusive jurisdiction the second that chapter 182
1:09:12
it looks like they're going to erect a public building in Louisville Kentucky uh Congress wants the state of Kentucky
1:09:18
to seed to the United States exclusive jurisdiction over the same uh the third one on that page something in Rochester
1:09:24
New York there oh $300,000 they're going to build something there Customs houses cour houses and Uncle Sam wants the
1:09:31
state of New York to seed to the United States exclusive jurisdiction of that
1:09:37
property uh also 1882 got a whole bunch of stuff here from 1882 this is in galston
1:09:45
Texas how far is galeston from here 200 miles well they're going to uh let's see
1:09:53
this deals with the customs house fire fireproof vaults for the accommodation
1:09:59
of the customs house internal revenue office is in at other government offices in galvaston Congress wants the state of
1:10:05
Texas to seed to the United States exclusive jurisdiction over that property the chapter 185 they're going
1:10:11
to build uh in Syracuse New York obviously some government offices they want the state of New York to seed to
1:10:18
the United States exclud the jurisdiction over the same uh here we have the state of Iowa
1:10:25
is want Congress wants the state of Iowa to seed to the United States exclusive jurisdiction over the property that's
1:10:30
talking about in the first part of this uh uh image uh chapter 187 in Detroit
1:10:36
Michigan let's see they're going to customs houses post office they want the state of Michigan in order for them to
1:10:43
build this building I can't see the price there that they're going to spend there uh but no money is shall be
1:10:49
appropriated for this purpose so shall be available until a valid title shall be vested in the United States nor until
1:10:54
the state of Michigan shall seed to the United States exclusive jurisdiction over the land so
1:11:00
purchased uh here we have also in 1882 this is something going on in Greensboro
1:11:05
North Carolina congress wants the state of North North Carolina to seed to the United States exclusive jurisdiction
1:11:11
over the same now I know this is a bit repetitive but you know to me you know
1:11:17
that old example I was talking about uh repetitive examples show them a
1:11:23
lot lot of very specific items and you get the point you're seeing the truth
1:11:30
that enables you to see some about how things work now let's go
1:11:35
down let's let me quickly move we can go through a lot of these examples and maybe we'll do some more of these this
1:11:41
afternoon but I want to get down here there's something got time this was I question
1:11:49
oh you had a qu I thought you were tell me time oh okay say Juris jurisdiction and
1:11:55
others say exclusive jurisdiction I notic that's different uh well I don't
1:12:04
think so you know I think jurisdiction is exclusive Juris but you know let's just
1:12:09
limit our our our analysis here to exclusive jurisdiction you know like
1:12:15
here we are I flip back up to something involving the state of South Carolina should seeed to the UN United States
1:12:20
exclud jurisdiction over the same that just meant you know even if they just said jurisdiction it looks like to me
1:12:26
that prior to a state seting jurisdiction or exclusive jurisdiction what conclusions do you draw about
1:12:32
before the state did that what jurisdiction did Uncle Sam have this according to the words of Congress and
1:12:38
just using English John rules of construction yeah
1:12:44
in article one section 8 uh Congress has delegated a number of
1:12:50
powers those Powers May in general be exercised on state territory but only
1:12:57
those Powers so these are limited subject matter are SubCom
1:13:03
powers in Article 1 Section 8 Clause 17 it refers to exclusive jurisdiction and
1:13:12
what he means there is the general powers of a state as opposed to
1:13:18
Constitutional Powers are delegated restricted limited uh subject matter
1:13:24
Powers right which Happ come to be also on a state territory but which doesn't
1:13:31
thereby confer exclusive jurisdiction in fact most of those powers are concurrent
1:13:37
well well we're we're dealing here with John where I'm ultimately going is I want to deal with the issue of now that
1:13:44
you've seen a bunch of examples through the statutes at large Pages out of the statutes large where the word
1:13:49
jurisdiction or exclusive jurisdiction is used now I want to drift on to the
1:13:55
whole purpose of this exercise is to make a determination now that you have feasted so to speak your brain upon
1:14:03
Pages out of the United States statutes large let's get down to and I want to I'm I'm sorry folks but I kind of got
1:14:12
uh ahead of myself
1:14:22
here there's a point we're going to get into
1:14:28
I want to determine what the phrase subject to the jurisdiction United States means oh here here's something
1:14:34
that's very interesting why why do you have laws of why why is Congress using this this
1:14:43
phrase legislative jurisdiction what does what does that
1:14:49
mean something happened where they went from law to Public Law
1:14:55
well here you have an act you know look at that phrase legislative jurisdiction isn't
1:15:02
that real
1:15:08
interesting oh look another 8 1961 to authorize the secretary of the army to
1:15:14
to adjust the legislative
1:15:19
jurisdiction what do what does that mean
1:15:25
uh to authorize the secretary of the Air Force to adjust the legislative jurisdiction exercised by the United
1:15:31
States over lands within egund air for oh that's down in Florida egund Steve
1:15:38
did you ever fly in at out of egin no you didn't oh
1:15:45
okay but isn't that odd they're using a phrase to relinquish to the state of New
1:15:52
Jersey jurisdiction over the lands at the Fort
1:15:57
handc to provide for a retrocession of legislative jurisdiction over a United
1:16:03
States Naval Supply Depot which is Clearfield in Ogden
1:16:12
Utah oh here we are in 196 what in the world what what's the
1:16:19
meaning of this phrase legislative jur
1:16:24
ition and it's in direct relationship to tracks of land to authorize executive
1:16:31
agencies to create to Grant easements in over and apply on real property of the United States under the control of such
1:16:37
agencies and for other purposes and in this particular act that's passed by Congress in 1962 they use used the word
1:16:46
legislative
1:16:52
jurisdiction there is hereby retroceded to the state of Montana effective when
1:16:57
accepted by said state in accordance with its laws such jurisdiction has as
1:17:03
has been seated by such state to the United States over any lands within the boundaries of big hole National
1:17:14
Battlefield 1963 upon the delivery and acceptance the conveyance here in is authorized any jurisdiction here for
1:17:21
seed to the United States by the state of Mississippi over the lands and Roads transferred shall thereby cease and
1:17:28
thereafter rest in the state of Mississippi now this may be getting
1:17:34
boring but I we're going to get up to a a real specific point here you're talking about a retrocession of
1:17:41
jurisdiction to the Commonwealth of ma Massachusetts relinquished to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts all
1:17:46
portion as he may deemed desirable for the relinquishment of the jurisdiction here to for acquired by the United
1:17:52
States of silver any lands within the Fort De Military Reservation uh the the second law down
1:17:59
there to authorize the Secretary of Na Navy to adjust the legislative
1:18:05
jurisdiction exercised by the United States over lands comprising the United States Naval Hospital Portsmouth
1:18:12
Virginia man that's a big Portsmouth man got a whole lot they built a bunch of ships there that unan Parks Parks a
1:18:19
whole bunch of his ships there and they use legislative
1:18:26
jurisdiction here we have um another act of Congress talking about legislative
1:18:33
jurisdiction exclusive jurisdiction you know legislative jurisdiction look at
1:18:40
the title to adjust the legislative jurisdiction legisl an act to authorize
1:18:45
the adjustment of the legislative jurisdiction uh to retrocede to the state of Colorado exclusive jurisdiction
1:18:52
help of the United States over the real property comprising the fort Lions Baron
1:18:58
hospital they authorize the Attorney General to adj adjust the legislative jurisdiction exercised by the United
1:19:04
States of lands within the federal Reformatory at chilov
1:19:10
Ohio what one of the first capitals of Ohio to authorize the secretary of the
1:19:15
Navy to adjust the legislative jurisdiction exercised by the United States over lands comprising the United
1:19:20
States naval station in Long Beach to adjust the look right up here
1:19:28
legislative jurisdiction have you ever seen these words
1:19:35
no oh to authorize the Secretary of the Interior convey to the state of Tennessee certain lands within the Great
1:19:40
Smoky Mountains and down here they're talking about look at that the state of Virginia
1:19:45
of legislative jurisdiction over the lands what what is legislative jurisdiction to authorize the secretary
1:19:52
of the army to adjust to legislative jurisdiction adjust to the legislative jurisdiction what does that
1:20:00
mean relinquishment what what does that
1:20:07
mean what does it mean clay what huh what does it
1:20:15
mean relinquish legislative
1:20:21
jurisdiction oh United States code relating to the
1:20:26
relinquishment of legislative
1:20:32
jurisdiction conveyance the jurisdiction United States set portion of the legislative jurisdiction over the
1:20:39
lands partial relinquishment of legislative jurisdiction exclusive jurisdiction
1:20:46
legislative jurisdiction legislative jurisdiction over such lands is hereby seed to the state of Oklahoma
1:20:56
legislative jurisdiction again is this have you ever seen these words M
1:21:03
legislative jurisdiction legislative
1:21:09
jurisdiction legislative jurisdiction legislative
1:21:15
jurisdiction legislative jurisdiction legislative jurisdiction hey this is 1999
1:21:23
legislative jurisdiction don't know the date on that exclusive jurisdiction of the state
1:21:30
this is in 2002 the secretary of the Health and Human Services B the United States May whenever the secretary deems desirable
1:21:36
relinquish to the state of arkans all are part of the Juris United States to over the lands and properties and compy of the Jefferson Labs
1:21:45
campus R session of jurisdiction this is well this is here recently the administrator May relance
1:21:51
to State all are part of the legislative jurisdiction the United States uh legislative
1:22:00
jurisdiction okay we we had a little tour to force we had a tour of pages out
1:22:08
of the United States statutes of large dealing with jurisdiction you we've seen partial exclusive just plain old
1:22:14
jurisdiction we've seen legislative jurisdiction but would you agree that Congress itself acknowledges that states
1:22:22
have jurisdiction and Congress seems to recognize that you know uh State jurisdiction must be acquired from the
1:22:29
state and prior to the acquisition of jurisdiction in the state it has no
1:22:34
jurisdiction does that seem Apparent from what Congress has to say now we
1:22:40
want to deal with this phrase I want to learn from each of you I am a dumb
1:22:46
lawyer from North Alabama and I'm going to show you some stuff and I want you to
1:22:51
tell me what it me means and we're going to deal with this phrase subject to the jurisdiction
1:22:57
thereof now you're going to see a whole bunch of examples after this whoever
1:23:02
shall bring into the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof how many of you diagrammed in
1:23:10
you know the third grade or fourth grade or whatever it was we you know hey my my
1:23:15
I got beat over the head a lot about my teacher you know wake up big crap you know about diagramming sentences you
1:23:22
know it was a repetitive beats on the head that forced me to learn diagramming and so I diagram this phrase
1:23:29
right up here now wouldn't you agree that subject of the sentence and that phrase is whoever and the verb is shall
1:23:35
bring and there's a prepositional phrase into thee and the object of the
1:23:41
prepositional phrase has an or in it and so there are two objects of this prepositional phrase into
1:23:48
the United States or in place subject to the
1:23:53
jurisdiction that's that's the way I diagram it I could be wrong you know I wouldn't so here is in 1804 the very
1:24:02
first time in the United States statutes at large you will see this phrase
1:24:09
is you see subject to the jurisdic the United States
1:24:16
there Mr farmer from Athens what's the what's the the
1:24:23
word right before subject
1:24:28
to countries the first time you see this
1:24:35
phrase subject to the jurisdiction United States in the United States statutes to large Congress is saying
1:24:44
countries subject to the jurisdiction United States is that odd
1:24:51
no uh another act 1843 any River Harbor Bay or Waters subject to the
1:24:57
jurisdiction United States that's another use of subject to the United States by
1:25:02
Congress oh don't know this is probably sometime in the 1870s I think well here
1:25:08
we got that phrase that we just diagrammed within the United
1:25:13
States or any place subject to the jurisdiction United States section six
1:25:21
that two or more persons in state or territory or in any place subject to the jurisdiction United States section s
1:25:27
whoever recruits soldiers or Sailors within the United States or in any place
1:25:33
subject to the jurisdiction thereof the next to to engage in armed hostilities
1:25:39
against the same are opens within the United States or any place subject to
1:25:45
the jurisdiction United States subject to the jurisdiction thereof Section 8 every person enlisted or engaged with
1:25:52
within the United States or in any place subject to the jurisdiction
1:25:59
thereof oh depart the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction
1:26:05
thereof bring into the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof section 151 whoever with intent
1:26:13
to defraud Shall Pass utter publish or sell or attempt to pass utter publish or sell or shall bring into the United
1:26:21
States are any place subject to the jurisdiction the
1:26:27
uh is the United States looking at section
1:26:32
151 is the United States a place different from a place subject to
1:26:40
the jurisdiction there yes is
1:26:48
it within the United States now imagine the United States is being the 50
1:26:55
states that's that's what the United States means there then where is this
1:27:01
different place any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof where is
1:27:09
that teror territories section 158 whoever within
1:27:15
the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof section 159
1:27:20
one whoever within the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof section 160 whoever within the
1:27:26
United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof section 161 whoever within the United States or a
1:27:33
place subject to the jurisdiction thereof uh bring into the United States
1:27:38
or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof within the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction
1:27:45
thereof section 170 whoever within the United States or any place subject to jurisdiction
1:27:51
thereof 171 whoever within the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof that may be the
1:27:57
same page but uh 245 brought into the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction
1:28:02
thereof oh and look also uh any state from one state territory or the District
1:28:08
of the United States or a place noncontiguous subject to the jurisdiction you're now
1:28:16
contiguous means joining each other right non contiguous
1:28:23
they don't touch each other right you know the state of California is
1:28:29
noncontiguous to Texas it is also noncontiguous to
1:28:37
Canada but then again Puerto
1:28:42
Rico is non-contiguous to Florida and Puerto Rico would be
1:28:47
non-contiguous to the United States thinking in the sense of the 50 states
1:28:55
right whoever shall knowingly willly bring into the United States or any
1:29:00
place subject to the jurisdiction thereof the provision of this title shall extend to all territories
1:29:06
possession oh we don't have an or there do we the provisions of this title shall
1:29:12
extend to all territories possessions and places subject to the jurisdiction
1:29:18
the United States from one state territory of the District
1:29:24
of the United States a place non-contiguous but subject to the durur 6 United States is
1:29:31
different from a state or territory is that right
1:29:40
state within or subject to the jurisdiction United States you know here
1:29:46
they're talking about for the purpose of using any facility of of an exchange oh this has something to do
1:29:53
with well instrumentalities it might be stocks conf security security
1:29:58
transactions so it looks like deal with oh registration down here so this deals with stocks Securities National
1:30:04
Securities Exchange so this deals with you know stocks and bonds but it's you
1:30:10
it has a fact you know this law making something unlawful deals with something
1:30:15
happening within the United States or at a place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States
1:30:23
oh this is FCC I think uh this related to radio broadcast
1:30:30
intended are used for commercial Communications between the United States
1:30:35
or any territory or possession Continental or insular subject to the jurisdiction
1:30:42
United States now right there it seems like to me subject to the jurisdiction of the United States has a direct
1:30:47
connection to a territorial possession am I right
1:30:53
oh here's something uh Interstate transportation of prison made products you know this they're telling
1:31:00
you where this law is going to apply and it's going to apply to a to a transaction from one state territory
1:31:06
Puerto Rico the Virgin Island of the District of the United States or a place non- contiguous speciic to the
1:31:12
jurisdiction of the United States same thing
1:31:18
listen bring into the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof this de with counterfeit this is
1:31:26
1936 here's 1938 all territories possessions and places subject to the
1:31:32
jurisdiction of the United States whether contiguous there too or Not by any person within the United
1:31:38
States or place or any place subject to the jurisdiction thereof from the United States or any
1:31:44
territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof or celebrating into the United
1:31:51
States or any place subject to the Juris well hey now after you have seen a whole
1:31:57
bunch of examples what conclusion do you
1:32:03
draw about let's say the United States is defined is the 50
1:32:10
states is that wasn't defined huh that wasn't defined in all these it just
1:32:15
refers to the UN well you let's presume that let's let's
1:32:21
presume in our example if that's the case why would they have to add to jurisdiction thereof you showed us all
1:32:27
examples of where they established jurisdiction under law those States had
1:32:33
to seed that to the United States that's true to allow them to have jurisdiction but but the what I'm presenting here is
1:32:39
what is the meaning of subject to the jurisdiction United States now let's
1:32:45
presume that for this this has something to do with ch step children and children through adoption you know oh this gold
1:32:52
star label so this happens to be something during World War II but let's presume for purposes of this law that
1:32:58
the United States is the 50 states where is a place subject to the jurisdiction
1:33:05
thereof maybe foreign embassies that's okay well our our
1:33:13
embassies in a foreign country more precise okay here is something dealing with narcotic drugs this is 1955 drugs
1:33:20
and marijuana oh this is getting some witnesses the attendance of Witnesses in the production of Records may be
1:33:26
required from any place in any state or in any territory or other place subject
1:33:35
to the jurisdiction of the United States now in definitions let's let's say you you probably seen in statutes let's give
1:33:41
a for comparison purposes let's say that a law Congress relates to animals and it
1:33:48
defines animals animals means in this act a dog cat horse and a
1:33:53
cow now is a dog the same even though they're encompassed within animals is a
1:34:00
dog the same thing as a cat is a cat same thing as a horse is a horse same
1:34:05
thing as a cow they're all different they're not the same now with that in mind look at
1:34:12
this from any place in any state well if state was a place subject
1:34:18
to the jury of United States why why would you even put in the state is State
1:34:23
different from a place subject to the jurisdiction United States what's your view yes the state has jurisdiction over
1:34:29
it over its lands unless it seeds it to the United States I but my question is
1:34:36
is a state different from a place subject to the jurisdiction the United States look at that it may be
1:34:46
okay whoever brings in the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction looks like to me
1:34:52
that using rules of English grammar and looking at sentences like this that
1:34:58
disjunctive there or separates the United States from any place subject to the
1:35:07
jurisdiction whoever within the United States or any place subject to the jurisdiction
1:35:12
thereof now you can go through uh I have a wide collection I've gone through
1:35:18
every every state they get on a search engine look to a state code pull up
1:35:26
phrases so here are just three phrases that I pulled up in Alabama which happens to be you find the phrase
1:35:32
subject to the jurisdiction United States quite often in in in these definitions of state but here's just
1:35:38
three examples in Alabama state law where the the phrase subject to the
1:35:44
jurisdiction United States comes up and in all three examples it happens to appear in the definition of state and
1:35:51
and so looking at the first definition of state state means a state of the United States the District of Columbia
1:35:58
Puerto Rico United States Virgin Islands or any territory or insulin
1:36:07
possession subject to the jurisdiction of the United States now to me the OB
1:36:13
here you know or the the the objects of this
1:36:18
little sentence here is a state another object is the District of Columbia another object is Puerto Rico another
1:36:24
object is United States Virgin Island and another object is territory or insor possessions and subject to the
1:36:32
jurisdiction United States modifies and defines what territory insult possession
1:36:37
you all agree there go back three three uh
1:36:45
slides right there yeah attendance Witnesses the production
1:36:51
of Records may be required from any place in any state or in any territory
1:36:57
does doesn't that mean something different from what those other ones are saying well no this you know you have to
1:37:03
we're not dealing with you know the we're dealing with trying to understand
1:37:08
what a phrase means phrases appear in a wide variety of laws this one happens to
1:37:14
be you know obviously you see down here witness fees you know this has something to do with you know issuing subpoenas to
1:37:20
Witnesses you know and and paying them fees and you know while we don't have
1:37:25
this is in reference to narcotics drugs and marijuana cases apparently and subpoenaing Witnesses for those but you
1:37:32
know the attendance of witnesses and the production of Records may be required from any place in any state or in the
1:37:39
territory or place subject to the jurisdiction United States at any place
1:37:44
designated designated place of hearing so it just deals with you know subpoenaing Witnesses but we're trying
1:37:51
to determine the meaning of subject to the jurisdiction of United States where this phrase appears that as it's
1:37:58
outlined in yellow you know we're just limiting our inquiry we could get into this full scope of all these laws where
1:38:05
the phrase appears but we're trying to determine the meaning of the phrase from the various laws where it does appear
1:38:12
follow me but you know the point I want to make is it's after lunch time yeah the point
1:38:20
I want to make is is looks like to me a state is a place different from a
1:38:29
place subject to the jurisdiction United States with that now we're going to go to lunch am I correct Richard right now
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