PIML 96050508 / Forwarded to Patriot Information Mailing List: [This is a new message plus PIML 96043103, 96043110, and 96050305 repeated to give you the full thread.] PIML ================================================================== From: FORTFAN@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 02:03:28 -0400 cc: fsnw-l@freespeechnews.com Subject: Re: [FreeSpeech-NewsWire] NEW Footage JFK (RIFLE) In a message dated 96-06-02 11:58:15 EDT, jhdaugh@a-albionic.com (James Daugherty) writes: >Anyone have any thoughts on this? Did Travis find something here? According to Garrison's "On the Trail of the Assassins" he claimed that a film made by Dallas Cinema Associates, an independant film company, showed a group of Dallas police officers carrying an unscoped rifle down the fire escape _which had been found on the roof of the depository_. This rifle was identified on the film as being the assassins' rifle. I haven't seen the newly discovered film yet (amazing how raw evidence of the JFK assassination always has to be "filtered" through the networks before being shown to the American public) but it reportedly also contains footage of Oswald & Ruby together at a press conference where Ruby points out Oswald's involvement in the Fair Play for Cuba Committee (just like in the movie!). We now know that the CIA had long targeted the FPCC for "neutralization." Hopefully we won't have to wait five or more years before this new footage reaches the public. ================================================================== PIML 96053103 / Forwarded to Patriot Information Mailing List: From: PawlRevere@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:48:06 -0400 Subject: L&J: Fwd: NEW Footage JFK (RIFLE) Reply-To: liberty-and-justice@pobox.com Anyone have any thoughts on this? Did Travis find something here? --------------------- Forwarded message: From: tbeach@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (Travis_Beach) To: PawlRevere@AOL.Com Date: 96-05-29 14:45:48 EDT Did anyone else see it? I am a former Marine with an extreme amount of Firearms Training both State Government and in the USMC. I also am very interested in the JFK assasination. Imagine my SUPRIZE when the NEW film Footage of the day JFK was shot surfaced. Here I sit in my humble abode and watching the footage I spy up to now unseen JFK footage NEW and UNEDITED and the screen flashes to a Dallas Policeman holding up THE RIFLE attempting to keep his prints off of it by holding an object in the reciever (pencil, pen ?) ONLY ONE PROBLEM...THE RIFLE I SAW IN MY BOOKS ON THE JFK ASSASINATION, THE WARREN COMMISSION ect. SHOW A "SCOPED CARCANO CARBINE" THe RIFLE the Dallas PD officer held in his hands clearly had NO SCOPE ON IT. MY GOD THE RAMIFICATIONS HERE. DID ANYONE ELSE SEE IT? DID I SEE IT? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Unsub info - send to majordomo@pobox.com with "unsubscribe liberty-and-justice" in the body (not the subj) of the msg. Listowner: Mike Goldman ================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 07:51:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Brad Dolan Subject: Re: Long Lost JFK Assassination Footage to Air Reply-To: snetnews@alterzone.com -> SearchNet's snetnews Mailing List I noted two interesting things about this yesterday. (1.) The film footage was reportedly rescued from the trash by Cooper. Cooper gave a *copy* of the film to Sturges and buried his copy under his house (interesting thing to do). Cooper is now dead and his copy has been ruined in a fire. We're seeing the Sturges copy. If the original film was tampered with, it might not be possible to tell from the copy. (2.) I need to look it up, but there was a Sturgis or Sturges implicated in the assassination bd On Tue, 28 May 1996 beazur@skyenet.net wrote: > > -> SearchNet's snetnews Mailing List > > > > >I'd like to know why it was "long-lost" , how it was "found" and if it's > been spliced? > > > >DALLAS (Nando.net)- > > "Long-lost television news film events surrounding the assassination > of President Kennedy, including the chaos in Dealey Plaza after ths > shooting, has been turned over to the agency compiling the public record. > > The 45 minutes of silent, black-and-white 16mm film- mostly unaired > sequences- also includes Kennedy and his wife holding hands at the airport > before boarding the motorcade and pictures of Jack Ruby waiting for Lee > Harvey Oswald at an appearance before reporters the night of the > assassination, The Dallas Morning News reported today. > > Portions of the film will be aired tonight and Wednesday on the "CBS > Evening News", the network said. > > The fim does not show the president's motorcade under rifle fire in > Dealey Plaza on Nov. 22, l963, and offers no obvious evidence toward > settling the case's many controversies, according to the few authorities who > have viewed it. But the film- only a fraction of which has ever been shown > publicly- does show the confusion that engulfed Dealey Plaza after the > president was shot and the immediate search for the shooter in the railroad > yard behind the grassy knoll." > > > > > -> Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo@alterzone.com > -> Posted by: beazur@skyenet.net > -> Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo@alterzone.com -> Posted by: Brad Dolan ================================================================== PIML 96053110 / Posted to Patriot Information Mailing List: [I remember at the time that there was a report that the FBI had to shim the scope mount to get the carbine to shoot on target. I owned at the time an identical Italian 6.5mm Model 1891 Mannlicher Carcano carbine, without scope, and I was familiar with the cheap scope and stamped steel scope mount that was offered installed on the weapons. Just dropping the Carbine a short distance would be sufficient to bend the scope mount. I am POSITIVE that the first news photos showed the carbine WITH scope attached and there was not any mention of the scope being detached. Any any case, there is NO way to operate the bolt and fire accurately as rapidly as would have been necessary for all shots to have come from the one carbine -- as I said at the time.] PIML ================================================================== Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 06:24:41 -0700 To: Bill Utterback From: Citizen Dei Gratia Subject: Re: PIML 96053103 - L&J: NEW Footage JFK (RIFLE) I saw the footage and noticed the rifle, sans scope. At that time I was busy, but I thought it would be good to check the new pictures against the published ones of the Manlicher Carcano that was guilty of killing JFK ;-) ================================================================== > >Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 07:51:33 -0400 (EDT) >From: Brad Dolan >Subject: Re: Long Lost JFK Assassination Footage to Air >Reply-To: snetnews@alterzone.com > > >-> SearchNet's snetnews Mailing List > >I noted two interesting things about this yesterday. > >(1.) The film footage was reportedly rescued from the trash by Cooper. >Cooper gave a *copy* of the film to Sturges and buried his copy under his >house (interesting thing to do). Cooper is now dead and his copy has been >ruined in a fire. We're seeing the Sturges copy. If the original film >was tampered with, it might not be possible to tell from the copy. > >(2.) I need to look it up, but there was a Sturgis or Sturges implicated >in the assassination > >bd > > >On Tue, 28 May 1996 beazur@skyenet.net wrote: > >> >> -> SearchNet's snetnews Mailing List >> >> > >> >I'd like to know why it was "long-lost" , how it was "found" and if it's >> been spliced? >> > >> >DALLAS (Nando.net)- >> > "Long-lost television news film events surrounding the assassination >> of President Kennedy, including the chaos in Dealey Plaza after ths >> shooting, has been turned over to the agency compiling the public record. >> > The 45 minutes of silent, black-and-white 16mm film- mostly unaired >> sequences- also includes Kennedy and his wife holding hands at the airport >> before boarding the motorcade and pictures of Jack Ruby waiting for Lee >> Harvey Oswald at an appearance before reporters the night of the >> assassination, The Dallas Morning News reported today. >> > Portions of the film will be aired tonight and Wednesday on the "CBS >> Evening News", the network said. >> > The fim does not show the president's motorcade under rifle fire in >> Dealey Plaza on Nov. 22, l963, and offers no obvious evidence toward >> settling the case's many controversies, according to the few authorities who >> have viewed it. But the film- only a fraction of which has ever been shown >> publicly- does show the confusion that engulfed Dealey Plaza after the >> president was shot and the immediate search for the shooter in the railroad >> yard behind the grassy knoll." >> > >> >> >> -> Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo@alterzone.com >> -> Posted by: beazur@skyenet.net >> > >-> Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo@alterzone.com >-> Posted by: Brad Dolan > >================================================================== PIML 96060305 / Posted to Patriot Information Mailing List: [Another recently revealed JFK film.] PIML ================================================================== Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:00:01 -0700 (PDT) To: Bill Utterback From: ftbrady@cosmoslink.net (Frank T. Brady) Subject: Re: PIML 96053110 - More on NEW Footage JFK (RIFLE) For PIML if applicable: Do you gentlemen have "contacts" in the JFK conspiracy investigation genre? I ask only because I've been following your thread on the scope/no-scope thing and I know there are some super serious "amateur" investigators that seemed to have made this their life work. I saw some of their stuff on CompuServe a couple of years ago. It would be very helpful for all of you to keep in touch -- I would love to know what they would think about this scope business. Here my "contacts" (The ones without a name had contributed articles or made comments about the JFK matter, but never responded to my mail). nssc@inlink.com (Nick Ivanovich) 75720.2644@compuserve.com (Bob Harris)* 76004.2356 " 74656.2333 " (Paul J. Burke) 76217.1053 " 71712.2151 " 76616.3143 " (David F. Chastain) 73247.1414 " 74274.650 " 76513.1730 " (Ronald T. Hannivig) 71574.3311 " (Officer Craig Roberts)** *NOTE: Bob Harris is a serious researcher, he has been on many talk shows and sells a cross reference CD ROM to researchers. **NOTE: Officer Craig Roberts wrote two books on the Kennedy assassination ("Kill Zone" and "JFK: The Dead Witnesses"). He may be reached by telephone at (918) 591-4083. If no answer, please leave any message on voice mail. Mail can reach Officer Roberts at: Tulsa Police Air Support Unit Terminal Building Tulsa Downtown Airpark 1200 W. 36th St. North Tulsa, OK 74127 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\ //////////// I'm including the query I sent to all of the above when a new tourist film was found a few months before this latest film find. I hope these contacts prove useful if you want to share information and opinions. Best Regards, Frank T. Brady \\\\\\\\\\\\\\ //////////// Subject: New JFK tourist film This is addressed to most of those on CompuServe that have contributed the JFK conspiracy articles that I have enjoyed for the past year or so. I have scanned unsuccessfully for some mention of the new JFK assassination film recently announced by the tourist who has kept it secret for all these years. This seems to me to be the biggest bombshell since the assassination, since even the mainstream media pundits acknowledged that it appears to confirm that shots were indeed fired from the grassy knoll. I can understand why the media dropped that story immediately thereafter, but it is puzzling that none of you have taken it up. Is someone making sure this lady is interviewed? Is her film being copied and protected? Why the silence? Frank T. 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