PIML 96052305 / Forwarded to Patriot Information Mailing List: Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 09:54:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "G. Carroll" Subject: Re: L&J: IRS non-compliance question Reply-To: liberty-and-justice@pobox.com Last year, nearly 30 million people who would normally be compelled, by statute, to file a federal tax return did not do so. That figure comes from several reliable sources and is regarded as "conservative." The IRS itself estimates non-filers to number at least 10 million, but that number is considered to be ludicrously low. Even those who file are maximizing their deductions and fighting possible audits in a variety of ways; i.e., non-statutory abatements; making the IRS produce an actual document saying that it does indeed have the authority to directly tax wages (there is no such document in existence) before answering ANY correspondence from agents; audit victims who go into any IRS meeting armed with tape recorders and cameras, and demanding (as is their right) to look at and photograph all agent drivers' licences, SS cards and other documents; obstructing statutory law and IRS "rules" by simply pointing out they are too complex even for the IRS itself to define ... And, finally, an internal revolt within the IRS of IRS employees who refuse to destroy the lives of average people through the enforcement process. It was only a few short years back when the Cincinnati IRS office revolted, throwing cartons of unprocessed returns into dumpsters ... Indeed, the fat lady is singing long, hight notes at this juncture. On Tue, 21 May 1996, Gerhard Holford wrote: > A question for the tax animals in the audience: > > A caller on a talk-radio program asserted something along the lines of > the following: "Even ultra-liberal Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank > is beginning to make positive noises about a "consumption tax", like a > federal sales tax or a VAT tax. The reasons is that the "non-compliance" > rate for the federal income tax is climbing. > > The rate of non-compliance is growing eight percent a year and at that > rate of growth it will reach forty-five percent in five years." > > > My question is: What ARE the correct numbers? > > What does the IRS think the CURRENT rate of tax non-compliance is? > What has it been over the last ten years? Has it, in fact, been growing? > > My gut feel is that the caller is correct, and if he is correct that the > federal tax system is headed for a 45 or 50 percent non-compliance rate > in the next few years, then I think it's fair to say: "the fat lady has > sung". It's over. The IRS is done for. > > The U.S. tax system, so they say, is founded on the principle of > "voluntary compliance", and it works so long as a large percentage of the > population BELIEVES that almost everyone is voluntarily > complying. But when a substantial percentage begins to realize that a > lot of people are NOT complying, no one is going to accept being the > "last sucker to pay taxes". The result is almost certainly, a growing > avalanche of non-compliance -- and the end of the fiction of "voluntary > compliance". And when "voluntary compliance" dies, so does the IRS and > the current U.S. tax system. > > > Any thoughts? > > G. Holford > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Unsub info - send to majordomo@pobox.com with "unsubscribe liberty-and-justice" > in the body (not the subj) of the msg. Listowner: Mike Goldman > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Unsub info - send to majordomo@pobox.com with "unsubscribe liberty-and-justice" in the body (not the subj) of the msg. Listowner: Mike Goldman * Patriot Information Mailing List * http://constitution.org/piml/piml.htm * A service to help inform those who have an active interest in * returning our federal and state governments to limited, * constitutional government * Send messages for consideration and possible posting to * butterb@sagenet.net (Bill Utterback). * To subscribe or unsubscribe, send message with subject line * "subscribe patriot" or "unsubscribe patriot" * Forwarded messages sent on this mailing list are NOT verified. * See World's Smallest Political Quiz: www.self-gov.org/quiz.html * Libertarian is to LIBERTY as librarian is to library (DePena) * PIML grants permission to copy and repost this message * in its entirety with headers and trailers left intact.