PIML 96051707 / Forwarded to Patriot Information Mailing List: Date: 16 May 96 16:49:19 EDT From: Mike Johnson <102052.3716@CompuServe.COM> Subject: MJN:2nd "Brown" suicide Apparently they just can't kill themselves fast enough at the airport Ron Brown's plane crashed while trying to land at. - Mike/North Central Florida Regional Militia It is safe to assume that any traffic going to or from this address is being recorded, stored and analyzed somewhere by government employees. Any other assumption is *not* *safe*. ----Forwarded Message(s)---- 16-May-96 15:57 EDT Sb: (Fwd) 2nd suicide re Ron Brown crash Fm: Patricia Neill > INTERNET:pnpj@db1.cc.rochester.edu Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 20:15:37 -0400 From: bxs29@cas.org (Barry Skaggs-djv26) Subject: 2nd suicide re Ron Brown crash >From feustel@netcom.com (David Feustel) Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.journalism,alt.radio.talk,talk.politics.guns Subject: *2nd* Ron Brown Plane Crash Suicide? Organization: DAFCO Date: Sat May 11 21:23:54 EDT 1996 I heard tonight a report of a *2nd* suicide at the airport where Ron Brown's airplane crashed. This 2nd suicide was that of the air traffic controller who handled Ron Brown's plane. This suicide was *in* *addtion* to the suicide of the beacon maintenance supervisor at that same airport. Has anyone seen reports of this 2nd suicide *anywhere* in the US press? -- feustel@netcom.com Dave Feustel N9MYI - NRA Life Fort Wayne, IN For PGP Public Key, finger feustel@netcom.com 219-483-1857 Or else access http://www.mixi.net/~feustel/ -> SNETNEWS Mailing List & Fidonet Echo -> Post to: listserv@xbn.shore.net -> subscribe snetnews ------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: 17 May 96 09:04:52 EDT From: Mike Johnson <102052.3716@CompuServe.COM> Subject: MJN:OKC police suicide It looks like a policeman in Oklahoma City may have had some sort of "help" or "encouragement" when he committed suicide. Apparently just before he was to be decorated for his bravery in rescuing people from the bombed out Federal building there. As one of the first people on the scene, maybe he noticed some things that others didn't? - Mike/North Central Florida Regional Militia It is safe to assume that any traffic going to or from this address is being recorded, stored and analyzed somewhere by government employees. Any other assumption is *not* *safe*. ----Forwarded Message(s)---- 16-May-96 22:09 EDT Sb: Suicide in OKC- Being Investigated Fm: Brenda C. Jinkins [70762,154] Sometimes it's not so bad to have a little insomnia. Last night on the Roger Fredenberg radio show, the guest was Bill Jasper of the New American Magazine. He talked about the OKC bombing and the gaps in the government's case. Interestingly enough, he is in OKC pursuing other leads right now. One is a "suicide" of a young officer who was one of the first on the bombing scene. Has Arkancide spread to OKC? It's possible. Think as you read the following news story why a 30-year-old *policeman* would try to slash his wrists ( a woman's way to try suicide), and then shoot himself after moving 1/2 mile from his bloody car. ============================================================= 5/10/96 AP El Reno, Okla. A policeman who would have received a bravery medal on Saturday for rescuing people from last year's Oklahoma City bombing was found dead of apparently self-inflicted wounds. Police dogs and helicopters led deputies to the body of Oklahoma City police Sgt. Terrance Yeakey Wednesday night, about a half-mile from the spot where a sheriff's deputy had found his abandoned car with blood around it. the 30-yearold officer apparently tried to cut his wrists and ultimately shot himself. ========================================================= Brenda C. Jinkins ------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 21:56:43 -0500 (CDT) From: bigred@duracef.shout.net Subject: Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 7 Num. 89 The following is brought to you thanks, in part, to the kind assistance of CyberNews and the fine folks at Cornell University. Conspiracy Nation -- Vol. 7 Num. 89 ====================================== ("Quid coniuratio est?") ----------------------------------------------------------------- TEDDY BEAR TIME ADMIRAL BOORDA: GONE TO GLORY ============================= Yes, sometimes a suicide really is a suicide. And let me emphasize that at this point we don't have all the facts. But, sometimes a "suicide" is something else. Sometimes a "boating accident" is something else also. At this point it's hard to say for sure what happened, but here is what I have gathered so far, from early press reports and other sources. Admiral Boorda is said to have been a short man, about 5 feet 6 inches or less. It has also been reported that he shot himself in the chest with a shotgun. This would be hard for a tall man, with long arms, to accomplish. It would be even more difficult for the presumably shorter-armed Boorda. Early reports hinted that Boorda had been "caught in the act" of wearing a "v" for valor emblem on his uniform. Boorda supposedly felt disgraced and it is hinted that this led to his "suicide". Yet Boorda himself had already issued a statement indicating the issue was no big deal, words to the effect of "I had thought I was qualified to wear the 'v' emblem but was informed otherwise. I have accordingly stopped wearing it." Admiral Boorda had risen to the rank of Chief of Naval Operations; he was the highest ranking Navy officer and was on the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Hence this death absolutely *demands* that a full, *open* investigation be conducted. The late Admiral Boorda presumably was of higher equivalent rank than the late Vincent W. Foster, Jr. His death deserves that public officials must strive to avoid the appearance of cover-up. Will they do so? Or will they make "mistakes" again? Sherman Skolnick, in his latest recorded message (312-731-1100), sees a larger significance in the Admiral's death. Reminding us of recent (and not so recent) history, he points to the April 17, 1995 Alabama plane crash which killed high-ranking military personnel, the Bosnian plane crash that killed Commerce Secretary Ron Brown, and the recent death by "boating accident/heart attack" of former CIA Director William Colby, as links in a chain. Is Boorda's death part of a bigger picture? Are all these violent deaths connected somehow, a part of something going on beneath the surface, something *we* aren't allowed to see? According to Mr. Skolnick, a long-time investigator into such matters, a homicide investigation team was turned away, at gunpoint, from the Washington Navy Yard where Boorda is said (already) to have been an "apparent suicide". This smacks of a similar dispute of jurisdiction in Dallas in 1963, when JFK's corpse was whisked away to Washington, D.C. and away from Dallas County authorities. Supposedly *two* "suicide notes" were found, according to television broadcasts. Not said is that this information most likely comes from federal authorities, the same authorities who are said to have blocked the homicide investigation team from investigating. These would also be the same federal types who "discovered" the "suicide note" of the late Deputy White House Counsel Foster. Chuck Hayes, whistleblower on insider skullduggery, misses his Value Jet flight, which then explodes in mid-air; Bob Dole startles us all by suddenly abandoning his powerful Senate position; and Bill Clinton is seen wiping a little tear from his eye: Hey. What's going on? ----------------------------------------------------------------- I encourage distribution of "Conspiracy Nation." ----------------------------------------------------------------- If you would like "Conspiracy Nation" sent to your e-mail address, send a message in the form "subscribe cn-l My Name" to listproc@cornell.edu (Note: that is "CN-L" *not* "CN-1") ----------------------------------------------------------------- For information on how to receive the improved Conspiracy Nation Newsletter, send an e-mail message to bigred@shout.net ----------------------------------------------------------------- Want to know more about Whitewater, Oklahoma City bombing, etc? (1) telnet prairienet.org (2) logon as "visitor" (3) go citcom ----------------------------------------------------------------- See also: http://www.europa.com/~johnlf/cn.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- See also: ftp.shout.net pub/users/bigred ----------------------------------------------------------------- Aperi os tuum muto, et causis omnium filiorum qui pertranseunt. Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est, et judica inopem et pauperem. -- Liber Proverbiorum XXXI: 8-9 -> SNETNEWS Mailing List & Fidonet Echo -> Post to: listserv@xbn.shore.net -> subscribe snetnews ------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: 17 May 96 09:05:57 EDT From: Mike Johnson <102052.3716@CompuServe.COM> Subject: MJN:Commentary I will be off line for the next few days. I am going to be going to Jeff Randall's to meet with the other militia people there. So, I probably will not be back on the net until sometime late Sunday at the earliest. I notice that the Chief of Naval Operations, if we are to believe press reports, decided to commit suicide by shooting himself once in the chest. He was supposedly going to be interviewed by somebody from Newsweek who was making allegations that the Admiral was wearing combat ribbons and decorations that he was not entitled to. My personal opinion is that anybody who thinks that the person selected to be Chief of Naval Operations, or for that matter, any flag rank, command at sea, or any other important assignment hadn't already been checked for little discrepancies like that needs to report to the nearest psychiatrist to have their head examined. Every member of the U.S. armed forces has a personnel service record. Part of that record is a listing (usually scattered throughout several different pages) of all the ribbons, medals and awards that the person has received. If somebody's record has not been properly updated to reflect those awards, then there are procedures involved for correcting that. In any case, service records are carefully examined each time a person is eligible for promotion, because the medals, ribbons and awards that they have received help to determine those who will make the cut and those who won't. I can assure you that *anybody* who takes to wearing ribbons, medals and awards which they have not received and are not eligible for would be cashiered, not promoted, and that this would likely be caught relatively quickly. Thus, I find the implication that the Admiral shot himself because he was wearing a decoration he hadn't actually earned to be not only totally *absurd* but highly insulting to boot. I will note one other thing about the Admiral. He was a mustang. For the benefit of all you benighted civilians out there, that means he originally enlisted in the service, and then rose through the ranks to become the senior Naval Officer in the chain of command. Mustangs traditionally tend to be people who take no shit from nobody. Therefore, I am left to wonder whether or not the Admiral had either (1) become privy to information about something that had already happened which he wasn't going to cover up, or (2) got wind of something about to happen that he was going to make sure the Navy took no part in. I will also note, that unless my memory has failed me, the wording of the Posse Comitatus law that prohibits the use of military personnel to enforce civilian laws within the several states, actually only forbids the *Army* from performing such activities. The *Navy* is not so restricted by that law. Probably because when it was written back in the late 1800s nobody thought that Naval personnel would be prone to be used in that manner. However, approximately a century has passed since that law was written, and it stirkes me that naval SEAL teams (which did not exist back then) could potentially fulfill such a role in limited applications. Could it be that the deceased Chief of Naval Operations was taking too great an interest in what his personnel were being tasked for and how they were being (or going to be) used? Could it be that a *mustang* Naval Officer had a different understanding of what his oath of service meant and the proper role the Constitution plays in our government than the son of a World War II SS Officer [Chairman of the JCS General Shalikashvili's father was an officer in the Waffen SS], a draft dodger who protested the Vietnam war, and a collection of cabinet officials that reads like the who's who of the Council on Foreign Relations? One thing is sure. Inquiring minds are getting mad as hell about this bullshit. - Mike/North Central Florida Regional Militia LTJG USNR (inactive), Mustang ------------------------------------------------------------------ * Patriot Information Mailing List * http://constitution.org/piml/piml.htm * A service to help inform those who have an active interest in * returning our federal and state governments to limited, * constitutional government * Send messages for consideration and possible posting to * butterb@sagenet.net (Bill Utterback). * To subscribe or unsubscribe, send message with subject line * "subscribe patriot" or "unsubscribe patriot" * Forwarded messages sent on this mailing list are NOT verified. * See World's Smallest Political Quiz: www.self-gov.org/quiz.html * Libertarian is to LIBERTY as librarian is to library (DePena) * PIML grants permission to copy and repost this message * in its entirety with headers and trailers left intact.