PIML 96061201 / Posted to Patriot Information Mailing List: [The following is a message I received and my reply. I put so much thought into my little sermon that I decided it would be worth posting on PIML. If some patriots get upset, it will be worth it, as long as some others may be inspired to do something constructive.] PIML ================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 From: XXX To: butterb@sagenet.net Subject: Personal Dear Sir, I do hope that you will forgive me for being so forward, but I am in need of guidance in a present endeavor of mine and thought that you might be able to offer some assistance. Simply put, I am dating a gentleman who calls himself a "Patriot" and I desire to know more of what a patriot is or is not. I have been utilizing the Internet as to better understand him and his beliefs. I would be grateful if you would be so kind as to suggest different Web pages where I might explore the Patriot Movement further. In addition, would you please recommend additional mailing lists that might help me. In that the managing of a mailing list is quite time consuming, I would understand if you are unable to assist me. Consequently, I would not object if you were to forward my email to another individual who might be able to make a few suggestions that would help me and if possible, even answer a few questions. Sir, I thank you for your time and assistance. Sincerely, XXX ================================================================== XXX: Saying you are a patriot is like saying you are an American, as there are many different kinds of both. I'll give you some general information but that doesn't say much about one individual's beliefs and attitudes. The really radical patriots have given up on fixing the system and do a lot of talking (and sometimes action) about being sovereign. To be sovereign, as they mean it, is to give up your social security number and account, give up your right to vote, don't pay any tax to any level of government, don't have a driver's license or license plates, don't recognize the jurisdiction of any government court, etc. In my opinion these people are unnecessarily looking for trouble and are not willing to work to fix the system. I feel that a true patriot is not a quitter and is a person who is willing and eager to work to restore limited, constitutional state and federal governments. The well educated patriot will be aware of the New World Order's plans for world domination and also aware of the fraudulent and unconstitutional federal income tax. Some other areas of concern are the sorry state of our judicial and educational systems and recent government atrocities such as the sniper murder of Vicki Weaver and the poison gas murders of the Branch Davidians (CS gas is lethal in the concentration used at Waco). I would expect a true patriot to be active with some groups such as citizen action groups, political parties, Fully Informed Jury Association, or a militia unit. In short, a true patriot is one who takes action on behalf of himself, his family, and his countrymen -- one who walks the walk, not just talks the talk. In my personal opinion, the spiritually aware patriot will recognize that we are living in times where all fear-based organizations will tend to crumble and fall while all love-based organizations will tend to grow and expand. Concerning the macho man for whom love is too strong a word, consider a love-based organization to be one which is based on "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." The spiritually aware patriot will understand the nature of balance in the U.S. Constitution which is based on spiritual principles but prohibits Congress from passing any law, pro or con, about religion. He will follow the concept of "As long as we remain focused on our common goal, we can work shoulder-to-shoulder even though we may not see eye-to-eye." Moderate patriots often cling to the illusion that constitutional government can be restored by working within the Democratic and Republican Parties. If that could work, it would have worked by now; those are the parties which brought us to our current sorry state. You asked for some web pages about the patriot movement. Here is a variety: http://constitution.org/ http://www.rahul.net/lp/ http://www.logoplex.com/shops/cdr/cdr.html http://quasar.as.utexas.edu/billinfo/FIJA.html http://www.techmgmt.com/restore/restore.htm http://com.primenet.com/callme/ http://www.math.princeton.edu/~tpbarber/3pc/index.html http://www.mcs.net/~lpyleprn/goa1.html http://www.harrybrowne96.org/ http://www.wolfe.net/~liberty/ http://home.megalinx.net/~eplurib/links.html http://www.mediadist.com/ http://www.warroom.com/rlinks.htm http://colossus.net/wepinsto/wshome.html Some patriot mailing lists: Send mail to "Majordomo@pobox.com" with the following command in the body of your email message: subscribe liberty-and-justice your name Send a blank message to freematt@coil.com with the words subscribe FA in the subject field. Send e-mail to majordomo@freespeechnews.com with the BODY of the mail containing the single line: subscribe fsnw-l Send mail to 102052.3716@CompuServe.COM with the following command on the subject line: subscribe MJN I know nothing about your friend and can say nothing about what kind of "patriot" he might be, but I hope the above information may be of some assistance. for Liberty, Bill ================================================================== * Patriot Information Mailing List * http://constitution.org/piml/piml.htm * A service to help inform those who have an active interest in * returning our federal and state governments to limited, * constitutional government * Send messages for consideration and possible posting to * butterb@sagenet.net (Bill Utterback). * To subscribe or unsubscribe, send message with subject line * "subscribe patriot" or "unsubscribe patriot" * Forwarded messages sent on this mailing list are NOT verified. * See World's Smallest Political Quiz: www.self-gov.org/quiz.html * Libertarian is to LIBERTY as librarian is to library (DePena) * PIML grants permission to copy and repost this message * in its entirety with headers and trailers left intact.