PIML 96060601 / Forwarded to Patriot Information Mailing List: [Note on another subject: Just in case anyone is filing PIML postings, you should know I messed up (not quite FUBAR, but close). All PIML postings for June 4 and 5 were numbered 05 instead of 06 for the month. Sorry 'bout that.] PIML [Rumor? Maybe, maybe not. Martial law is unconstitutional; by definition, it can only exist when civil government is non-existent (for whatever reason). If martial law is ever declared, that means the Constitution and all constitutional laws are thrown out the window and it's every man/militia for himself/ themselves until the traitors are dealt with and constitutional government is restored. Personally, I'm working to restore limited, constitutional government before this can happen.] PIML ================================================================== Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 19:44:22 -0700 From: Liberty or Death Subject: Re: PIML 96050503 - Posse Comitatus and Fed Use of Military Vehicles It's time we wake up and realize that from the feds' perspective POSSE COMITATUS DOESN'T EXIST! In December 1994 there was a closed conference and research symposium for Judge Advocate General (JAG) officers on the missions, roles and capabilities of the US Army and Air Force in support of the suppression of domestic insurrection while under FEMA authority. A soldier who happened to overhear some of the JAG officers' discussions in the library asked one of them, "Doesn't Posse Comitatis prevent that?" The Army lawyer answered, "Not any more it doesn't." From the Resister, Winter 1995. Folks, the rules are gone. They just haven't figured out how to eliminate us with the least losses on their part yet. - Monte [The reason why the feds can use military vehicles (but not military personnel) at incidents like the Freemen.] PIML ================================================================== From: "Cravens, Roger D." Subject: FW: AP on Fed Armor Date: Tue, 04 Jun 96 13:02:00 EST A U.S. Air Force attorney's view of Air Force Vehicles in montana. Roger Cravens ---------- From: Bill Wells Subject: Re: AP on Fed Armor Date: Tuesday, June 04, 1996 11:32AM No posse comitatus violation here, even if they are AF vehicles (which I do not know). The PC applies only to personnel, not to equipment. Loan of military equipment is not covered by the PCA - this is not a technacality - it is the basic coverage of the act. Likewise, non law enfocement support (transportation, radio, etc) is not a violation of the PCA, because it is not the use of the miltary to enforce the law. Furthermore, use of National Guard troops in state status is not, nor is the use of DoD civilians. Oh, by the way, I think the AF Armoured cars on convoy duty carry M60s (though some may have been upgraded to 40mm gernade launchers). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Don't Tread On Me! <<< ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Psalm 33 * ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- O- ================================================================== * Patriot Information Mailing List * http://constitution.org/piml/piml.htm * A service to help inform those who have an active interest in * returning our federal and state governments to limited, * constitutional government * Send messages for consideration and possible posting to * butterb@sagenet.net (Bill Utterback). * To subscribe or unsubscribe, send message with subject line * "subscribe patriot" or "unsubscribe patriot" * Forwarded messages sent on this mailing list are NOT verified. * See World's Smallest Political Quiz: www.self-gov.org/quiz.html * Libertarian is to LIBERTY as librarian is to library (DePena) * PIML grants permission to copy and repost this message * in its entirety with headers and trailers left intact.