PIML 96053110 / Posted to Patriot Information Mailing List: [I remember at the time that there was a report that the FBI had to shim the scope mount to get the carbine to shoot on target. I owned at the time an identical Italian 6.5mm Model 1891 Mannlicher Carcano carbine, without scope, and I was familiar with the cheap scope and stamped steel scope mount that was offered installed on the weapons. Just dropping the Carbine a short distance would be sufficient to bend the scope mount. I am POSITIVE that the first news photos showed the carbine WITH scope attached and there was not any mention of the scope being detached. Any any case, there is NO way to operate the bolt and fire accurately as rapidly as would have been necessary for all shots to have come from the one carbine -- as I said at the time.] PIML ================================================================== Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 06:24:41 -0700 To: Bill Utterback From: Citizen Dei Gratia Subject: Re: PIML 96053103 - L&J: NEW Footage JFK (RIFLE) I saw the footage and noticed the rifle, sans scope. At that time I was busy, but I thought it would be good to check the new pictures against the published ones of the Manlicher Carcano that was guilty of killing JFK ;-) ================================================================== At 03:43 AM 5/31/96 -0500, you wrote: >From: PawlRevere@aol.com >Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:48:06 -0400 >Subject: L&J: Fwd: NEW Footage JFK (RIFLE) >Reply-To: liberty-and-justice@pobox.com > >Anyone have any thoughts on this? Did Travis find something here? >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >From: tbeach@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (Travis_Beach) >To: PawlRevere@AOL.Com >Date: 96-05-29 14:45:48 EDT > > >Did anyone else see it? I am a former Marine with an extreme amount of >Firearms Training both State Government and in the USMC. I also am very >interested in the JFK assasination. Imagine my SUPRIZE when the NEW film >Footage of the day JFK was shot surfaced. Here I sit in my humble abode >and watching the footage I spy up to now unseen JFK footage NEW and >UNEDITED and the screen flashes to a Dallas Policeman holding up THE >RIFLE attempting to keep his prints off of it by holding an object in the >reciever (pencil, pen ?) ONLY ONE PROBLEM...THE RIFLE I SAW IN MY BOOKS >ON THE JFK ASSASINATION, THE WARREN COMMISSION ect. SHOW A "SCOPED >CARCANO CARBINE" THe RIFLE the Dallas PD officer held in his hands >clearly had NO SCOPE ON IT. MY GOD THE RAMIFICATIONS HERE. DID ANYONE >ELSE SEE IT? DID I SEE IT? > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >Unsub info - send to majordomo@pobox.com with "unsubscribe liberty-and-justice" >in the body (not the subj) of the msg. Listowner: Mike Goldman > >================================================================== > >Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 07:51:33 -0400 (EDT) >From: Brad Dolan >Subject: Re: Long Lost JFK Assassination Footage to Air >Reply-To: snetnews@alterzone.com > > >-> SearchNet's snetnews Mailing List > >I noted two interesting things about this yesterday. > >(1.) The film footage was reportedly rescued from the trash by Cooper. >Cooper gave a *copy* of the film to Sturges and buried his copy under his >house (interesting thing to do). Cooper is now dead and his copy has been >ruined in a fire. We're seeing the Sturges copy. If the original film >was tampered with, it might not be possible to tell from the copy. > >(2.) I need to look it up, but there was a Sturgis or Sturges implicated >in the assassination > >bd > > >On Tue, 28 May 1996 beazur@skyenet.net wrote: > >> >> -> SearchNet's snetnews Mailing List >> >> > >> >I'd like to know why it was "long-lost" , how it was "found" and if it's >> been spliced? >> > >> >DALLAS (Nando.net)- >> > "Long-lost television news film events surrounding the assassination >> of President Kennedy, including the chaos in Dealey Plaza after ths >> shooting, has been turned over to the agency compiling the public record. >> > The 45 minutes of silent, black-and-white 16mm film- mostly unaired >> sequences- also includes Kennedy and his wife holding hands at the airport >> before boarding the motorcade and pictures of Jack Ruby waiting for Lee >> Harvey Oswald at an appearance before reporters the night of the >> assassination, The Dallas Morning News reported today. >> > Portions of the film will be aired tonight and Wednesday on the "CBS >> Evening News", the network said. >> > The fim does not show the president's motorcade under rifle fire in >> Dealey Plaza on Nov. 22, l963, and offers no obvious evidence toward >> settling the case's many controversies, according to the few authorities who >> have viewed it. But the film- only a fraction of which has ever been shown >> publicly- does show the confusion that engulfed Dealey Plaza after the >> president was shot and the immediate search for the shooter in the railroad >> yard behind the grassy knoll." >> > >> >> >> -> Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo@alterzone.com >> -> Posted by: beazur@skyenet.net >> > >-> Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo@alterzone.com >-> Posted by: Brad Dolan > >==================================================================* Patriot Information Mailing List * http://constitution.org/piml/piml.htm * A service to help inform those who have an active interest in * returning our federal and state governments to limited, * constitutional government * Send messages for consideration and possible posting to * butterb@sagenet.net (Bill Utterback). * To subscribe or unsubscribe, send message with subject line * "subscribe patriot" or "unsubscribe patriot" * Forwarded messages sent on this mailing list are NOT verified. * See World's Smallest Political Quiz: www.self-gov.org/quiz.html * Libertarian is to LIBERTY as librarian is to library (DePena) * PIML grants permission to copy and repost this message * in its entirety with headers and trailers left intact.