PIML 96052403 / Posted to Patriot Information Mailing List: [Two messages with replies follow] PIML ================================================================== Date: 22 May 96 19:04:50 EDT From: Chuck Melton <102630.2336@CompuServe.COM> To: Bill Utterback Subject: Re: PIML 96052208 - Charlie Duke's Comments Am I the only one out here that is getting the feeling that, with different negotiators "giving up" on the Freemen and calling them "Kooks" that it is becoming more likely that the Feds will be less reluctant to use Deadly Force? Are the "crimes" they are accused of Capital Offenses? Even if they were proven to be "kooks", doesn't the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights guarantee that we can be "Kooks" in this once great Republic? I would hate to see another blood bath by the Feds, simply because Patriots thought the victims of government oppression were "kooks". ------------------------------------------------------------------ Chuck: You can expect the feds to use deadly force, and rightfully so, if fired upon while attempting an arrest with a "valid" warrant. Although it is a simple truth that the feds have no right to be there, the fact that neither the Governor nor the Legislature has told the feds to get out of the state lends the feds some degree of "implied consent" to be there. This is why we need to elect patriots to state governments. If the state does not tell the FBI to get out of Montana, the FBI can only be expected to attempt to make arrests, as they understand their job to be. Of course the FBI agents have the right of self defense if fired upon. Any Freeman injuries or deaths will primarily be the responsibility of the Governor of Montana who has not done his duty, in accordance with the Montana Constitution, to tell the FBI to leave the state. There are indications that the FBI will soon move to bring the situation to some kind of resolution. Most of the "laws" enforced by the feds have no constitutional basis to be federal laws, and are merely statutes of no effect which bear the appearance of law. Jurors need to understand this, and that is why we need Fully Informed Juries (call 800 TEL-JURY). for Liberty, Bill ================================================================== Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 16:25:05 -0700 To: Bill Utterback From: Citizen Dei Gratia Subject: Charlie Duke's Comments At 02:17 PM 5/22/96 -0500, you wrote: >I just heard Charlie Duke say on CNN that he felt that the Freemen >were not honorable men and that they were not looking for a >solution. He said that they were "common criminals" who are >"simply hiding behind these children to shield their criminal >behavior." A local CBS TV news reporter said that the "Freemen" were making some outrageous demands of the FBI and Charlie Duke, including, "demanding President Clinton sign a document giving his authority for the FBI to be in Montana." IMHO, that does not sound too outrageous. Just what they have in mind I haven't figured out yet. They must know something about a Presidential signature or action, and what its repercussions might be, or they are waiting for a statement that the Prez can't do such a thing. Any thoughts? Citizen Dei Gratia Sovereign Citizen Resource Center MIRRORED WEB SITES: http://www.cogent.net/scrc http://www.caprica.com/~scrc scrc@cogent.net (Standard disclaimers apply) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Citizen Dei Gratia: See the reply above for remarks on the FBT's "right" to be in Montana. for Liberty, Bill ================================================================== * Patriot Information Mailing List * http://constitution.org/piml/piml.htm * A service to help inform those who have an active interest in * returning our federal and state governments to limited, * constitutional government * Send messages for consideration and possible posting to * butterb@sagenet.net (Bill Utterback). * To subscribe or unsubscribe, send message with subject line * "subscribe patriot" or "unsubscribe patriot" * Forwarded messages sent on this mailing list are NOT verified. * See World's Smallest Political Quiz: www.self-gov.org/quiz.html * Libertarian is to LIBERTY as librarian is to library (DePena) * PIML grants permission to copy and repost this message * in its entirety with headers and trailers left intact.