PIML 96050208 - Forwarded to Patriot Information Mailing List: [Same old BATF story, unchanged after Congressional "investigations" - Why not send this to your senators and congressman with your comments about our very own American GESTAPO? If this man had tried to defend his family, we would be hearing about how the BATF had killed another terrorist.] Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 13:58:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Patricia Neill Subject: L&J: JackBoot ATF, At It Again Reply-To: liberty-and-justice@pobox.com Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 12:18:17 -0500 From: "David L. Goad" Subject: RE: Jack booted thugs Reply-to: act@efn.ORG Folks, ATF is at it again... This Tuesday night at about 9:30 pm in St. Charles county, Missouri, a group of 14 county/fed goons led by an ATF twit raided a suburban household of 4; two mid-thirties parents, and 6 and 2 year old children. They kicked in the back door, threatened to kill the dog, tied up the husband on the floor with a gun at his head and generally trashed the house searching for weapons. They did not even produce a warrant for over an hour. The couple thought they had been invaded by burglars, and expected to die. The screams of "ATF!" by the goons did not mean anything to the couple. After an hour & a half, not finding what they were looking for they just left, no apologies, nothing. It appears that an ATF informant was making the whole thing up. He told the ATF that he had been to this house many times, and that a large stash of machine guns were there as part of a large gun running operation. The local police, upon checking the county records told the informant that the owners name did not match the name of the so-called "gun-runner" he was informing on. His response was that the guy must be a guest of the homeowners. On this basis a judge authorized the search warrant. Well, so much for the necessity of a sworn statement by a trustworthy individual. The ATF "official" has indicated that he will apologize at some point. A few (to me) frustrating points; 1. The local cops took the trouble to (partially) check up on what the informant was telling them, and when conflicting data was obtained, decided to trust the informant over records showing a typical law abiding family. When will local judges start to give their local residents the benefit of the doubt over paid informants? 2. As usual, rather than knocking on the front door in the daytime, serving the warrant, and peacefully checking out the residence, they kicked in the door, and threatened the family. Equally as usual they apparently found an extremist, right wing, terrorist dog and wanted to kill it. 3. Rather than admit the screw up on the spot, the ATF MAY be pressured into an apology. Oh well, just another day in paradise. -dave =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Unsub info - send to majordomo@pobox.com with "unsubscribe liberty-and-justice" in the body (not the subj) of the msg. Listowner: Mike Goldman * Patriot Information Mailing List * A service to help inform those who have an active interest in * returning our federal and state governments to limited, * constitutional government * Send messages for consideration and possible posting to * butterb@sagenet.net (Bill Utterback). * To subscribe or unsubscribe, send message with subject line * "subscribe patriot" or "unsubscribe patriot" * Forwarded messages sent on this mailing list are NOT verified. * See World's Smallest Political Quiz: www.self-gov.org/quiz.html * Libertarian is to LIBERTY as librarian is to library (DePena) * PIML grants permission to copy and repost this message * in its entirety with headers and trailers left intact.